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rhhkeely t1_j5te0yo wrote

Defund the whole crooked system

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themightychris t1_j5tngj8 wrote

don't be so reactionary.

31 programs were funded under this grant.

If the other 30 are all doing good work with no such issues you want them all to lose funding next year because of this one, or should we learn specific lessons from it and find a way to close the gap that doesn't do more harm than good?

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TreeMac12 t1_j5tsrkx wrote

>If the other 30 are all doing good work

Are they? What is the metric and mechanism for oversight?

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themightychris t1_j5u79d2 wrote

that's a reasonable question that someone serious about knowing would have to put a little effort into researching and learning. I assure you there are likely many and understanding any gaps is likely a whole job

just assuming there is none and calling for everything to be dismantled though like OP is lazy and irresponsible

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PhillyPanda t1_j5vf38w wrote

What is there to learn? Kenney hasnt released any evaluations of existing anti-violence initiatives.

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themightychris t1_j5vp57k wrote

You have to appreciate that conducting good evaluations is a huge job, it's expensive and takes a lot of work. Also, self-evaluations aren't worth much so it is most appropriate for them to be done externally

An external one is underway; https://www.phillytrib.com/news/local_news/review-to-determine-effectiveness-of-anti-violence-money-in-philadelphia/article_c9a821d8-7c88-11ec-af77-a798dce3557e.html

Equal Measure is a very reputable program evaluator

The Controller's office has released an analysis: https://controller.phila.gov/philadelphia-audits/fy23-anti-violence-budget/#/

These were very easy to find, so I'm inclined to believe those throwing eggs here just want to throw eggs, not actually evaluate anything

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PhillyPanda t1_j5vt2te wrote

Part of Rhynharts critique is that they haven’t released any evaluations of programs.

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themightychris t1_j5vvv4a wrote

who is making that critique? program evaluation is whole other practice from auditing, they would need new funding for expanded staff, and there's already orgs that do program evaluation and it doesn't take the privileged financials access the elected controller gets

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TreeMac12 t1_j5u8onp wrote

>I assure you there are likely many

I assure you there are probably not many.

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LFKhael t1_j5toyvg wrote

The program may continue and seems to be currently operational FWIW.

> Before its suspension, the program had been extended through this June. Other programs that shared the Community Expansion Grant funds have also received extensions. Atwood said the city would be renewing some grants, and opening a new application round in early spring.

> Guns Down Gloves Up continues to operate, under Gee’s leadership, at a city recreation center in Graduate Hospital — a temporary arrangement until the program finds a permanent new home, a city spokesperson said.

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ipissexcellence21 t1_j66jfea wrote

If they look they will find more than one of the programs if not most are up to shady shit. These programs are nothing but fraud. If everyone cares so much and isn’t stealing have them all volunteer somewhere existing and run these programs way cheaper. It shouldn’t cost this much to “keep kids busy”

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themightychris t1_j66k7en wrote

and did all this information you have come from anywhere in particular?

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ipissexcellence21 t1_j66p0zs wrote

The information that you can keep kids busy for less? From my own childhood, my local rec center has t ball, basketball, soccer leagues, events all through the summer from pie eating contests, summer camps. No one was spending $400k on boxing lessons.

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