Submitted by 4r530n t3_110iuyu in philosophy
ctoph t1_j8a5f2r wrote
Reply to comment by forestwolf42 in You're probably a eugenicist by 4r530n
Not familiar with Danish politics. What are the policies?
StarKiller2626 t1_j8aep5k wrote
They abort practically all children with birth defects and disabilities. It isn't forced by law AFAIK but it's highly encouraged by the govt and medical staff.
Amphy64 t1_j8uw18x wrote
Really important to note, as a disabled person who was casually and out of nowhere asked if I'd abort a child like me, that there is no screening test for most conditions. I'm also disabled as a result of severe medical negligence not my original condition. It can cause cleft palettes, which might however be picked up on a scan.
Ableism is also not identical to ideas of eugenics. The focus is on getting rid of conditions deemed disabilities, rather than aiming at positive traits, and neurodivergence (which has links to physical conditions, including connective tissue disorders like mine) is worth considering here.
Wonder how many philosophers have been neurodivergent, and that has been a factor in their philosophy? Some are certainly thought to have been.
Edit: Oh, and connective tissue disorders and hyperflexibility? They carry a risk of injury, not everyone would be capable, but ballet, gymnastics, you'll find those with them among those excelling there.
StarKiller2626 t1_j8xpcgk wrote
I agree, I find the reasons of disability or poor living conditions to be terrible for abortion. Especially at such scale. It feels dehumanizing, insulting and like a dangerous precedent to set. Not only are disabled people still morally valuable but they often bring great value with new ways of thinking.
As for more serious disabilities we'll never learn to cure it if we kill off everyone with whichever disability. It feels like a lazy excuse to support certain policies.
I grew up extremely poor and my brother was born with severe asthma and I had ADHD not serious I know but technically it's a disability. How long till people like us would be advocated for abortion because of disabilities? Things we've both grown out of.
forestwolf42 t1_j8a75x4 wrote
I'm not really familiar with anything other than what was mentioned in the article, access to abortion, pre-screening of pregnancies to give women the option to abort when the pregnancy is likely to result in a disabled person, access and encouragement to abort when a mother has been actively using drugs that damage the fetus during pregnancy.
As far as I know nothing forced, just a destigmatized culture around abortion and a lot of education about how to prevent disability. Coupled with government programs to aid the disabled that do exist.
I think similar policies in the US and other countries would be great, nothing extreme or forced.
I think encouraging people who are likely to produce disabled offspring to adopt and making it easier for them to do so could be great for society. Again, not forcing anyone, just providing better alternatives to people concerned for their health of their offspring than just hoping the genetic lottery is in your favor.
Kingbuji t1_j8boca3 wrote
But we know in the US they would just tell minorities to abort.
NuncErgoFacite t1_j8cu9oo wrote
Ever hear of a Mississippi appendectomy?
Kingbuji t1_j8cuusp wrote
No but I’m now afraid to look it up cause it’s probably gonna ruin my day.
Freec0fx t1_j8ux2m2 wrote
They don’t need to do that blacks are already having way more abortion then whites in the USA so they doing a good job at that already without having to make it obvious
AtlantisTempest t1_j8cdhjk wrote
Yeah. It would get convoluted in the US pretty quickly. Already, abortion clinics are strategically overpopulated in the black communities. The pro-life crisis centers that are meant to get women to keep their babies are in white areas.
Kingbuji t1_j8cepeu wrote
Not to mention the history of the US and serialization of certain WoC too… it would never work over here just off the history alone.
cdubbs75 t1_j8lfxny wrote
Getting rid of "less desirable PoC babies" was the specific goal of noted Eugenicist Margaret Sanger when she started Planned Parenthood so their location in the black neighborhoods is intentional.
Not fun fact, more black babies are aborted each year than are born in the US.
Kiltmanenator t1_j8wy1y4 wrote
I don't think it's fair to say there's really an overarching strategy here, certainly not between the people placing abortion clinics & the pro-life crisis centers. Different goals.
Abortion clinics are "strategically" placed where there are large concentrations of people who need their services including sexual health care, contraception, education, and yes also abortion.
Who needs this discounted health care? That means poor people.
Who needs abortions? That means unwanted, out of wedlock pregnancies. Which also means poor people
That means an urban environment.
And urban poor happen to be black.
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