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fartmouthbreather t1_j98cf2m wrote

Reply to comment by Ytar0 in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow

Free will being an illusion is obviously compatible with determinism. That’s the whole point of determinism, that isn’t a free will worth wanting, and that’s OP’s point. The author has redefined it to make it a negligible epiphenomenon.

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OldMillenial t1_j98czub wrote

>The author has redefined it to make it a negligible epiphenomenon.

The author has attempted to redefine it, and at the same time attempted to leverage the "common sense" perception of moral responsibility that is most certainly not based on his new definition.

The author is playing a semantic shell game, all while desperately attempting to convince you that he gets to go to dinners with more interesting people, and that those who disagree with him and his cool friends are just "Philosophy 101 students."

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Ytar0 t1_j98eili wrote

I honestly feel like so much of "philosophy" is just miscommunication lol.

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fartmouthbreather t1_j98lejv wrote

It’s easy when people define their own terms. :(

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[deleted] t1_j9ac0ek wrote

Definitions are hard. I wouldn't call it all bad faith.

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Ytar0 t1_j9bviu0 wrote

It's not bad faith per se, it's just ignorance. But that's a bit rude since it's a "problem" with the preexisting philosophy writings as well.

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keelanstuart t1_j9ajkrn wrote

Is watching a movie for the first time, whose story you cannot control, any less enjoyable because of that fact? What is "worth wanting" then? Why does determinism feel oppressive if the illusion of free will is persistent? If we had everything we wanted in life, would we feel put upon by forces we cannot control or would we never question things as we do when we suffer? Shrug. Points to ponder.

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