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velezs t1_jbjc42d wrote

>And I'm not saying that we can't have objective truths, they are all around us. I am saying hot and cold are not among them. Temperature is among them, but temperature is not hot or cold, it just is.

>If you want to follow this down a 10 year exploration, all you can prove as an objective truth at the moment is "I think therefore I am." Nothing beyond that.

Doesn't this first quote contradict the second? The temperature of an object is measurable and objective and is defined as the average kinetic energy of the molecules of the substance/material. That is not subjective or relative to the surrounding objects.

Why is this not provable to be objective in the 2nd quote but in the 1st "Temperature is among them" when referring to objective truths?

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Giggalo_Joe t1_jbjndss wrote

Because even if you determine that the temperature of X is Y, you still can't prove that X exists beyond your mind.

If you accept that the object is there, regardless of the availability of proof, you can get as far as proving the object has a temperature. But you will never be able to determine if the object is hot or cold, because hot and cold are always subjective to what you're measuring it against.

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