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ShalmaneserIII t1_itb8iud wrote

Reply to comment by MyNameIsNonYaBizniz in The real practical value of philosophy comes not through focusing on the ‘ideal’ life, but through helping us deal with life’s inevitable suffering: MIT professor Kieran Setiya on how philosophy can help us navigate loneliness, grief, failure, injustice, & the absurd. by philosophybreak

So let's rephrase your point: "I'm not enjoying life, therefore no humans who are enjoying life should exist."

Sounds a bit extreme, doesn't it?

A second thing to ask is why we'd remotely be obligated to keep all people happy instead of just most, or even some. People who don't want to exist are, in most cases, one jump away from not. If they don't want to do that either, well...not our problem.

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_itcuccd wrote

Here's a few example for your thought, if you would stop engaging in bad faith.

-born with stage 4 bone cancer, died in agony at age 10, not a single day without pain.

-Entire family kidnapped, tortured, raped and murdered in front of them due to war, the cartel, ethnic cleansing, random psycho.

-born with genetic mental torture, the "happy" part of their brain are literally missing (as in no brain matter in that section), not a single day of their existence is not torture.

-millions of children live very short and torturous lives due to war, famine, natural disasters, poverty, genetic diseases, crime, random unpreventable bad luck, etc. What is the worth of their existence? Would you trade places with them?

"Not enjoying life" and "not happy" indeed, this is reality, actual nightmare is a thing for some people, friend.

Telling the victims of suffering to just kill themselves is the MOST deplorable thing another human being could do, extreme sociopathy by definition, not a justification for anything but pure sociopathy.

Its not your problem because you just dont care, you do you, but a lot us do care and are working hard to find a way to make existence worth it for the victims, unless you wanna physically stop us to uphold your "ideal" of narcissism, then why bother shouting about it from the top of your lungs?

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ShalmaneserIII t1_itdv08w wrote

And there are billions who do enjoy life. Are those examples you list a reason why those billions should not live and enjoy life?

Again, "I'm not happy, therefore you shouldn't exist" is the position of the school shooter, not a rational human being.

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_itffwzl wrote

Read my replies again, carefully, because you are missing the point entirely.

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ShalmaneserIII t1_itfguhp wrote

You're saying that the suffering of some means the joy of the majority can't be justified, and it would be better if they all didn't exist, yes?

And yet, for those of us who do enjoy life, this is justified.

Now this puts you in something of a state if we take you at your word- you're surrounded by a planet full of psychopaths who will gleefully bring into existence those who suffer just to share what they deem a pleasure with others, generation after generation, era after era.

And yet, you wish to continue living among such sadists. Why is that?

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_itfhh6t wrote

>You're saying that the suffering of some means the joy of the majority can't be justified, and it would be better if they all didn't exist, yes?

Nope, read all the replies again, from the very top.

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