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jetzteinestulle t1_ix8f1t1 wrote

my discussion starts with the teleporter problem. Would you experience the world the same way after teleporting your body somewhere else?

In my opinion in both cases teleporting or walking, you are just changing space/time coordinates and everything else stays exactly the same, therefore you should percieve and experience the world the same way as before. Teleporting is effectively just like walking somewhere. Dematerializing at one point of space/time and rematerializing at another point in space/time. (if you meet your friend at the market there is no physical diffrence if he walked or teleported there)

Let's say you are able to create a perfect clone / copy of your brain with all the synapses and energetic conditions including your experiences and impressions and then immediately die after.

Do you think you get to percieve the world the same way you did before your death but from the point of view of your clone or do you think perception itself would end for the original you? (since you effectively just changed space /time coordinates again which is exactly like teleporting)

What happens if you both stay alive, it is most likely impossible you will be able to percieve the world from two diffrent points of view. (there is arguably no connection between you and the clone anymore from the moment after cloning and you and the clone immediately start to differ while both keep percieving from their point of view)

It seems paradox, because teleporting and keeping your perception seems to be possible in this example, while cloning which is teleporting in a way and keeping your perception appears to be logically impossible.

(I personally conclude neither teleporting / cloning while keeping your perception can ever be possible since it is paradox)

What do you think?

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dflagella t1_ix8xp2h wrote

If you are teleported by being duplicated then the original in the first location being destroyed, your local self would die and your new self would continue it's perception. To other people you would be continuing your life but to the original you you would just die. It's like the idea of multiverse (?) where your own perception continues but every moment there is another reality where you die.

It's just two distinct lives that are in no way connected other than that the new one started from a new location with the same memories as you had at the point of being cloned. I don't see it paradoxical at all.

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jetzteinestulle t1_ixc6p55 wrote

How does teleporting differ from moving somewhere by yourself though? In both cases your exact same matter, just changes location in space and time.

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dflagella t1_ixd4hqk wrote

It depends if you are cloned and deleted or actually moved

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jetzteinestulle t1_ixgwupq wrote

Whats the diffrence between teleporting and getting cloned with the original self immidiatly dieing, the clone does not differ in any way from your original so how can you loose perception

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dflagella t1_ixh47nv wrote

Because if you are the original then your own local existence is killed and wouldn't continue to the clone, but from the clones perspective it would continue

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Qemistry-__- t1_ix8s6jq wrote

If you can teleport, why would you want or need a clone of yourself? Even if you're completing replicating the same mind and life experiences, once that clone is created you've affectively created another person. That once they begin to live and interact with the world, the things they see and do will be completely separate and isolated from your life experiences, so they then really serve you no purpose of do you any good. You can't teleport back home after your clone has just spent a week with your wife and try to call back into the routine. That entire week that was spent is completely unknown to you and will not be able to speak on or to anything that transpired during that time. Your wife might as well be speaking to a stranger. What would be the purpose in any part of that?

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FatYoungJesuss t1_ixlk8uh wrote

Interesting thought process which brings up the question how you define teleporting and how you define a living being. If we include our consciousness into the process of teleporting or even our soul if you believe there is one that brings up the question what happens with those things as they are not known to be part of your body. So in my opinion if you disassemble yourself and put a perfect clone of yourself as a replacement we don't know if our consciousness or subconscio are traveling or getting replaced aswell. So if we were able to teleport our body I don't think we can teleport our mind aswell which leads to my conclusion that you change time/space by doing so. Leaving behind a body with no soul that teleported. Just my opinion on teleporting in general though

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