Submitted by BernardJOrtcutt t3_z0zpb0 in philosophy
Epoferute t1_ixkopa6 wrote
Science is pedantic and our lives are not actually improved by it.
We should not confuse the goals of living with the goals of observing. Living is about introspection and becoming who you ought to become. Regardless of how you rationalize what you ought to be, observation of the external is not supplementary to observation of the internal.
Life is full of distraction. These distractions are not limited to the things which keep you from your goals. Your goals very well could also be distraction. If you end your day not having learned something about yourself, have your learned anything worth truly knowing?
Learning about the world seems useful to the extent that we are the rational extension of nature. We came from nature, and we will return to nature. The only thing which separates us from animals is our ability to rationalize. We must learn about nature to learn about ourselves, surely, but we must not care only about nature; nature, as its own entity, will only take us so far.
We may solve practical matters pertaining to quality of living, but we never become better for it; our lives only become easier. There is nothing easy about being a rational being, yet we seem to want it to be. You're a fool if you believe life should be easy. If a man endeavors to learn mathematics, then he has a hard path ahead of him. He shall rise and fall at different points in this endeavor, but he shall always come out stronger mathematically. He may have learned how to problem solve, but has he actually improved his condition? Surely he has become a good mathematician, but has he become a good human? I'm not convinced the skills directly translate. This man may lack the ability to ask himself difficult and pervasive questions about himself--the questions that truly matter--despite his impressive mathematical achievement.
We're too afraid, and we always have been, of ourselves. We all possess insecurity and doubt, yet we seem to want to ignore it. I know that I have. We are so preoccupied with superficial means that we forget about the true ends. The issue, however, lies in that people don't want to, or know how to, address it or do anything about it. People are content living by the masses and going through the motions we've been told to go through. Do you possess no unique insight into your own life? Are you really an individual? Do you even believe in your own ideals? or are they someone else's handed down to you? We don't even know what is and isn't a distraction, anymore. *note, there is not necessarily anything wrong with this, but this kind of life leaves me, personally, unsatisfied and I think it leaves many others (who don't even understand why) unsatisfied, as well.
You ought to strive to become this individual person. You ought to understand what makes you tick. If you can't stare your insecurities and flaws in the face now, then when will you? when you're old and gray and have but a few years left? When will you decide it's worth trying to live a meaningful life?
Perhaps you're happy, and that's wonderful. I'm happy, as well, but that does not mean I should stop trying. You must always keep trying. The moment you stop trying to become better is the moment you stop truly living. This is my philosophy.
Let me make an important distinction here: your life is made up of belief. You don't know anything besides what you perceive life to be. This isn't solipsism, this is your everyday reality. You ought to know yourself, as the Oracle at Delphi said (basically). We all have our own paradigms which we follow, but how blindly do you follow them? or do you understand why you perceive the world the way you do? Do you let pedantics govern your life? That is, is your life one distraction after another, or do you ever actually focus on you? Understanding what is and isn't a distraction is difficult and, I find, very unsettling. It's worth a good think.
I believe that we ought to live in a constant state of both teacher and pupil. We must learn from and teach others as well as ourselves. We have, within us, every capability of uncovering truth. If we want to understand the point of nature (and of God, if you're into that), then look no further than within. What comes from nature shall go to nature; what comes from God shall go to God. We must not proclaim to know what we can't, yet we must continually question. This, I believe, is the essence of the socratic method. We may not ever truly know, so we should not act like we're even capable of knowing. We may only seem to understand approximations against the immensity that is knowledge, but we will never know. We ought to exist to experience, not to understand.
Specific-Rub993 t1_ixmo1jm wrote
We may not ever truly know who we are, so we should not act like we're even capable of knowing.
"Observation of the external is not supplementary to observation of the internal" To observe is something YOU do, if you can observe the internal, then you are not the internal.
Are we a soul - a consciousness - or are we our thoughts and behaviors? If we are a soul, then trying to understand who we are is merely an observation of thoughts and feelings. If this is true then thoughts become part of the external and observation of the internal becomes impossible. A soul cannot observe itself. Trying to understand who you are becomes natural phenomena pondering about natural phenomena. The goals of living is to live and the goals of observing is to observe. If there is no universal meaning to life, there is nothing you ought to become. And if there is a universal meaning to life it is in its definition; to live. Thus there is nothing you ought to become.
To some extent you are correct though, I came to these conclusions by "looking within". Yet there is nothing that says I have uncovered the truth. I have a hard time seeing how you could ever uncover something universally true about something within. The nature of us means, it seems like, there are some things we will never know. The truth of the soul and the truth of the reality we see around us, including that which we see in our thoughts, are equally unknowable. It is also very human, I think, to reject that. We want to know the unknowable and we will stop at nothing to try to understand. This includes me. We can never know what was before the universe, yet we still ponder. We are full of contradictions and absurdities. We are humans.
Epoferute t1_ixoc45q wrote
You're getting this idea of observation mixed up with the senses. Yes, we can observe the external world (nature), but introspection (observation of the inner self) is something different entirely. Observation of nature deals with the physical while observation of the internal deals with the abstract like state of mind and virtue, which are the contents of the soul. My thoughts and emotions are unique to only me and are most surely not tangible; they are not external.
I agree that we cannot find this "ultimate truth", but you must also consider that all actions you have taken which you have deemed "correct," come from within. We all believe there is some truth to what we say and believe, else we would not say or believe it. Truth does exist, and it may exist only in our minds. Nothing in nature is explicitly telling us what is true and what isn't; we are the ones deciding based off of belief. You can absolutely believe that there is nothing we ought to do, and you can absolutely say that the goals of living are separate from the goals of observing, but I challenge anybody to live without a single thought about their condition. Surely, it is hard to deny that you do not have flaws and things which could be improved upon. I simply believe that basing your life upon attaining the unknowable is pure folly (as alluring as it is); there are much better things to concern yourself with. The same goes for proclaiming to understand things you clearly do not. You are only going to contort your perception of the world by thinking you know what you do not. We may be human, but that doesn't give us the excuse to act irrationally.
I think you make good points, but I think you might be distracted with the pedantics of the world (as we all are, though surely to differing extents). The most important thing in life is the betterment of the self and others, I believe. Truth is supportive of this goal, but not all-important. We can attain enlightenment through self-truth, but we do not need ultimate truth to realize this.
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