Chankston t1_j0ut6kz wrote
Reply to comment by wilde_man in Our stated political beliefs are irrational when taken as a package – the don’t appear to form coherent wholes. But we should be skeptical about whether these irrational political beliefs are really beliefs by IAI_Admin
I feel like it’s always the lazy resort to “comic book villain” strawmanning.
If you always think your political enemies think what they think because “they’re evil, they want to inflict pain and be monstrous,” then it’s blatantly obvious you’ve never been good faith or probably even read the foundational reasoning of the opponent.
And that’s a shame generally, but also rhetorically. Is this supposed to convince the other side to change their mind when you completely butcher their position and call them names?
I get that politics is becoming more intertwined with identity, but I feel like good discussions are always a give and take. I take the good parts of your reasoning and weigh it into my own beliefs, even if we disagree broadly.
LongjumpingArgument5 t1_j0v1mzd wrote
Even the Simpsons pointed out that Republicans are evil back in 1994.
They're only goal is to gaslight obstruct and project. They have no ideas on how to move forward at all. They create no real bills and do not even attempt to pass laws. All they want to do is put on a circus to pander to their flock of sheep.
Why bother passing laws when all you have to do is "own the libs" and your people will vote for you because they love a three-ring circus
iiioiia t1_j0vi9ue wrote
> Even the Simpsons pointed out that Republicans are evil back in 1994.
Demonstrating that causing someone to believe that a proposition is true can be as easy as showing them a cartoon, which is pretty interesting if one has the ability to take such things seriously.
LongjumpingArgument5 t1_j0vmcn0 wrote
Generally The Simpsons tends to be a reflection of the current society. I think it shows that Republicans have been evil for well over a quarter century.
The Republican goal is to make sure rich people get richer and poor people stay poor. You can see it in the few times they actually try to submit a bill to Congress. They are Patriots in the same way that they are pro-life, only when it supports their end goals. But the reality is they believe in neither of those things. All you have to do is look instead of burying your head in the sand and saying "go team". What bills have Republicans put forward in the last 6 years?
iiioiia t1_j0vnbaz wrote
> Generally The Simpsons tends to be a reflection of the current society.
"tends", "a reflection of", "the".
The nice thing about ambiguity is it is impossible to be incorrect, if used skilfully (which seems to come naturally to humans).
> I think it shows that Republicans have been evil for well over a quarter century.
It very well may, but there is an important difference between representing something in a cartoon vs it actually existing in reality (notice how many characters in cartoons can fly, do superhuman feats, etc).
> The Republican goal is to make sure rich people get richer and poor people stay poor.
Wrong - it is the Democrat goal. This is true by virtue of me saying it is true. Also: I saw it in a meme.
> You can see it in the few times they actually try to submit a bill to Congress. They are Patriots in the same way that they are pro-life, only when it supports their end goals.
You can also see that Democrats like abusing children in their bill submissions - though, I'd be careful forming a strong belief based purely on what one "sees".
Science has studied this phenomenon extensively, I highly recommend digging into the literature.
> But the reality...
Ah yes...."the" "reality". There can be only one.
LongjumpingArgument5 t1_j0vxcr6 wrote
>I'd be careful forming a strong belief based purely on what one "sees".
I suppose I could form strong beliefs like Republicans do, based on what Fox News says. I mean why trust my eyes when I could just trust talking heads. Remember, critical thinking is a tool of the left, you should skip it unless you want to be woke. There is no room for thought on the right.
Facts slide off Republicans like Teflon.
"Omg that's a cartoon, there is no possible way that cartoons can contain truth, I should just reject it outright, especially because it doesn't conform to my twisted perspective of the world". - you presumably
iiioiia t1_j0vy9bo wrote
> I suppose I could form strong beliefs like Republicans do, based on what Fox News says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz2WfBFdOAU
> I mean why trust my eyes when I could just trust talking heads.
Trusting either may not be wise.
> Remember, critical thinking is a tool of the left, you should skip it unless you want to be woke.
Is this to say that all people on the left are good at critical thinking, or even a majority of them are?
> There is no room for thought on the right.
What does this even mean?
> Facts slide off Republicans like Teflon.
Perhaps you should give the rules on the sidebar a read.
> "Omg that's a cartoon, there is no possible way that cartoons can contain truth, I should just reject it outright, especially because it doesn't conform to my twisted perspective of the world". - you presumably
Well, you are incorrect once again.
I'm genuinely curious: why do you do this? Granted, it's surely plenty of fun, but still. It seems to me to be contrary both to your implied desires as well as your literal words.
VersaceEauFraiche t1_j0vzy4d wrote
The Simpsons is a cartoon. The reason why you shouldn't give much weight to the political philosophy of the Simpsons should not need to be further explicated.
LongjumpingArgument5 t1_j0w7oa0 wrote
Are you the kind of person who when reads an opinion article that makes the following statement
"There is water vapor in our atmosphere, it makes the sky blue, I like the way the sky looks when it's blue but also sometimes with a change"
And then they come to the conclusion that because it's an opinion article that the whole article is invalid so clearly water vapor is not in our atmosphere making the sky blue.
You dismiss it outright because of the form it takes.
I know it's hard to understand but you have to refute the message not the form that it comes in.
VersaceEauFraiche t1_j0x0e3j wrote
I know it's hard to understand but you shouldn't trust your political philosophy to cartoons.
LongjumpingArgument5 t1_j0x0q1o wrote
Or the kind of people that can't see truth truth inside humor.
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