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tokmer t1_j1z81he wrote

Reply to comment by InTheEndEntropyWins in An Argument in Favour of Unpredictable, Hard Determinism by CryptoTrader1024

Free will to most people would be you come to two doors you have a choice to use either door or none.

A determinist would say you do not you are destined to choose whatever you end up choosing based on your preceding life.

A compatibalist would say you are destined to choose what you choose but it feels free enough as you arent being coerced to choose.

This is my current understanding of the differences

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InTheEndEntropyWins t1_j1zanx1 wrote

>Free will to most people would be you come to two doors you have a choice to use either door or none.

So how do you define choice.

Let's use a simplistic system of a thermostat. That system will make the choice to turn off the heating once it gets to a certain temperature.

Choice is just about a deterministic system being what causes an action.

>A determinist would say you do not you are destined to choose whatever you end up choosing based on your preceding life.

That's what a compatibilist will say also.

>A compatibalist would say you are destined to choose what you choose but it feels free enough as you arent being coerced to choose.

It's got nothing to do with how they feel. It's about whether in fact you are being coerced or not.

Is someone holding a gun making you do an action or did you do it because you wanted to. There is a matter of fact here, it's nothing to do with how they feel.

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tokmer t1_j1zb9cy wrote

But you are being coerced, by the chemicals in your head and all youve grown up to become.

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InTheEndEntropyWins t1_j1zbplx wrote

>But you are being coerced, by the chemicals in your head and all youve grown up to become.

That's dualistic thinking. Your brain isn't something separate to you. You are a body, which has a brain that has conscious activity.

Those chemical are you, they aren't something separate coercing you.

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tokmer t1_j1zc6yt wrote

You can be coerced by chemicals in your head, imbalances exist and can be adjusted to change things. You are coerced constantly by these chemicals you are not them

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InTheEndEntropyWins t1_j1zee8x wrote

>You can be coerced by chemicals in your head, imbalances exist and can be adjusted to change things. You are coerced constantly by these chemicals you are not them

This makes zero sense to me. You are basically saying, "you" are being coerced by your brain. That you are not your brain.

What do you mean by "you" how are your defining it? How is any definition of "you" coherent if it doesn't include your brain the chemicals in it. How is any definition of "you" coherent if it treats the brain and chemicals as some external coercive influence.

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tokmer t1_j1zgt52 wrote

No you are your brain. you are not your endocrine system, you are not psychedelics you consume, you are not an addiction you have. All of these thing effect your brain but they do not become it

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