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TheHeigendov t1_j45g7tr wrote

Reply to comment by AddaleeBlack in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy

Or the subconscious mind? or traumatic repression?

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mirh t1_j45w3bv wrote

Misleading and bad beyond belief.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind#Controversy_and_criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repressed_memory

There are probably thousands of people that were persecuted over this bullshit concept.

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TheHeigendov t1_j4793v0 wrote

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind#Controversy_and_criticism

People disagreed, sure, but who's model of the unconscious are you familiar with? Jung's or Franz Brentano's? How often have you seen the idea of the collective unconscious pop up in pop culture?

>There are probably thousands of people that were persecuted over this bullshit concept.

Remember that Freud originally said his patients were likely being molested by their parents, and was forced to walk back those comments after a large amount of public outcry. Also, remember that he was one of the first psychiatrists to renounce the his own sexual fantasy root cause theory in 1905, a good 75 years ahead of the rest of the world.

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mirh t1_j47pdbl wrote

> People disagreed, sure, but who's model of the unconscious are you familiar with? Jung's or Franz Brentano's?

None of them?

Most educated people today follow Kahneman's dual process theory if any.

But my point was more like the absolute roundabouts that researchers and therapists have to go, because "unconscious" has become an absolutely deleterious concept with no possibility of redeem.

> How often have you seen the idea of the collective unconscious pop up in pop culture?

Jesus F. Christ man. Where in the hell do you think you are? Dr. Oz's den or a somewhat professional sub?

> Remember that Freud originally said his patients were likely being molested by their parents, and was forced to walk back those comments after a large amount of public outcry.

Remember also how there's no damn standard except "anything goes" and everything and its opposite can still be true anyway.

> to renounce the his own sexual fantasy root cause theory

I think you are missing some part of the sentence there...

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AddaleeBlack t1_j45gbmt wrote

Thank you!

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TheHeigendov t1_j45husf wrote

Everything Freud and Jung got right has been so thoroughly ingrained into modern thought that all we ascribe directly to them now is their failures

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boomming t1_j45sq55 wrote

Freud used the term unconscious mind, and thought it functioned in specific ways that modern psychology does not support. And to my knowledge, modern psychology does not support traumatic repression either.

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