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Reply to comment by AddaleeBlack in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
> Do we not still use the concept of the id, superego and ego?
No. The modern consensus in psychology absolutely does not support in any way, the existence of an ID, Ego, or Superego.
I'm pretty sure the previous poster made it clear that the concept of these is so ingrained now in the modern thinking of psychology that we don't even recognize that anymore. The concept of the three actually exist not only Within the ideas of psychoanalysis but other treatment modalities as well. I remember my ex-husband in treatment coming home asking me about the" King baby" Id as was trying to be explained to him in substance abuse counseling. These were not trained psychologists they were treatment counselors.
Where is your evidence that these ideas are at all ingrained in modern psychology? 3 discrete parts of the subconscious, each with their own purpose in guiding your behavior sounds like a very specific hypothesis and I have never encountered any modern psychology who purports that there is any evidence of it.
>And these were not trained psychologists they were treatment counselors
You are missing the conclusion that they believed in this unsupported hypothesis because they are not actual psychologists. Why would I trust them to actually know real psychology if they aren’t even psychologists!
They were trained by psychologists, genius. 🙄
All's I did was Google personality theory and the first one that came up with psychoanalytic which does contain id ego and the superego so I think you're wrong 🤷♀️
How do you know they were trained by psychologists? All the psychologists I know, people who were actually working in scientific research, said that Freud was never that important to actual psychology and was always much more popular in the public consciousness. Wilhelm Wundt and William James are the early pioneers of scientific psychology.
And googling personality test is not a good way to judge the support of scientific theories, as anyone intelligent might tell you.
I didn't Google personality test I Googled personality theory.
I would suggest that you look up the required studies of a substance abuse counselor to answer your own question.
I believe I was discussing psychoanalytic theory as opposed to clinical research.
So are you denying that the concept of the ego, superego, and id are part of the mainstream modern thinking about personality?
> So are you denying that the concept of the ego, superego, and id are not part of the mainstream modern thinking about personality?
You have a double negative there, but yes, I am denying that modern psychology supports the hypothesis of an id, ego, or superego.
And I corrected prior to 3 minutes, how desperate are you to discredit rather than discuss?
Do you not get the very idea of a subconscious is due to Freud? Thanks for showing a perfect example of the modern psych student who tries to act like Freud wasn't a major part of the beginning of psychology.
It is absolutely amazing that you are both engaging in ad hominem attacks in the Philosophy subreddit, and also seem to think that Freud was the originator of the subconscious/unconscious. He was not, which a cursory google search, which you apparently use to judge the validity of scientific theories, would show you.
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OH AND FYI: SUBCONSCIOUS DOES NOT = UNCONSCIOUS- PSYCH 101.
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