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sailingtroy t1_iy4zaf4 wrote
END THE TSA. Americans need to take back their freedom of movement and their right to privacy while exercising that freedom of movement. Nothing like 9/11 has even come close to happening since. It's a totally unjustified power grab and a massive waste of tax dollars.
RubixCubingham t1_iy4zzxr wrote
Because of the TSA...
Turtley13 t1_iy58y7f wrote
TSA has a 95% fail rate.
sailingtroy t1_iy5184a wrote
Bullshit. It's security theater. Journalists have gotten all kinds of stuff past them many times. Wake up and spit out the boot in your mouth, unless you looove the taste...
ccoady t1_iy55qvb wrote
The TSA caught found over 3,000 guns at security checkpoints in the first 6 months of 2022. Hell, in 2018 they were averaging 82 firearms per week.
Just because a handful of journalists or whatever other rogue anecdotes of morons slipping through you have, doesn't mean they aren't doing their job. Here's more.
2020 3,257 guns (not much traveling in 2020)
2019 4,432 guns
2018 4,239 guns
2017 3,957 guns
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It pays to never stop learning. That's a mistake "Christian conservatives" or the "Don't Tread on Me" folks make. They are the ones who do what they're told to do instead of learning for themselves.
sailingtroy t1_iy56zuq wrote
Yeah, we had airport security before we had post-9/11 airport security. Guns were tough to get through back then, too. And you didn't have to take off your shoes or your belt and they weren't allowed to go through your phone. There are other countries where their flights are just as safe and the lines aren't nearly as long. The thing about too much security is that it will always succeed.
ccoady t1_iy885cz wrote
What we don't know is did the fact that TSA exists thwart terrorist plans and save hundreds or thousands of lives? We'll never know.
I'm a private pilot with a commercial rating, so I fly myself most places I want to go. I avoid large airports because of all the security measures. I hate the fact the FAA can track my plane via ADS-B and send me a ticket if I accidentally bust airspace without radioing in or being on the proper transponder frequency, but the implementation of all the new security measures allows me to see real time traffic on my screen as well as real time weather without an expensive radar system on my plane.
sailingtroy t1_iy8usid wrote
Yeah, that's a basic paradox of security - has been for all time. If you let them, the security people will just continue to ramp up forever. It's totally reasonable to demand a clawback every now and again. ADS-B and real-time weather have nothing to do with letting the TSA strip-search people who are just trying to go on vacation. I shouldn't have to give up the contents of my phone just so I can attend grandma's funeral.
It's hilarious, and rude, to me that you've painted this picture in your mind of me as a "Christan conservative" who "stopped learning" with no idea as to the truth. You think I'm some right-wing moron who can't adapt to the future, but the truth is that I'm a Canadian liberal with a PPL who gives flight lessons to noobs in VR. I watched 9/11 happen, and I remember what flying was like before. Not everyone who wants their rights back is a Trumpy. Try not to make assumptions about people online, dude. You brought identity politics to a discussion about security theatre and that's just rude. You were a real prick to me back there with your "it pays to never stop learning" schtick.
Turtley13 t1_iy592sy wrote
ccoady t1_iy8absl wrote
Dude, the heritage foundation is a trash organization. They want to privatize everything from the military, to roads, all schools and federal agencies. They want THEIR people in control regardless of what government is in control. They're a KOCH industry body. Here's an example of everything they want to privatize (articles they posted about privatization). They routinely flood their site with the same articles over and over. These are all Heritage Foundation articles. Heritage.org is absolute Right Wing TRASH/Propaganda. The Koch family is trach as well.
Social Security (dozens of articles on this)
Sacrificing Public health care (dozens of articles on this & Medicare)
Turtley13 t1_iy8jkdj wrote
There are three separate sources in that article.
ccoady t1_iy8veft wrote
I agree that the TSA is low skilled and not the best solution, but they're not taking away rights like crazy people suggest. They're strictly trying to keep people from taking over planes and turning them into human filled missiles. It's a huge inconvenience, but better than doing nothing.
Turtley13 t1_iy8zage wrote
I mean hardly when your failure rate is so damn high.Also the rules for what you can and can't bring on a plane are a joke.
ccoady t1_iy93vdp wrote
A true failure of the TSA would be a bomb getting through and another plane crashing into a building. You're assuming the failure rate based on independent criteria (without looking at the BIG picture) yet we haven't had a terrorist attack via airplane since 2001, so to the bean counters and terrorist task forces, that's a win, not a failure.
Sure the rules for what you can bring on are silly, but there's a reason behind most of them.
Failure rate for small stuff = High
Failure rate for BIG stuff (bombing/hijacking) = ZERO
Is it a zero because the TSA is a deterrent? maybe, but you can't call it a failure if its main reason for being established has worked (hijacking, suicide bombing, etc)
Turtley13 t1_iy97ls0 wrote
You are making no sense.
Failure rate for hijacking ZERO... is it zerio maybe? no it has worked cuz its zero.
There is no proof they prevented anything.
ccoady t1_iy9pilz wrote
The whole point of the TSA was to stop terrorist attacks. How many terrorists attacks or hijackings have happened since the TSA was created?
Z E R O. They may be "failing" at some airports, and that SHOULD get fixed (even though they're catching 4,000 guns per year), but that's not the point. The point of the TSA was ensure future safety of flying. Some planes have random air marshals on them. My father did this for a few years. His job was to just look like a passenger, but he is a law enforcement office and a pilot, CFI, Instrument and commercial ratings with 7,000 hours of flying and 20 years of law enforcement. Has he ever stopped a terrorist attack? Nope. If a hijacking occurred, he was the most qualified person on the flight to take out a highjacked or take over the plane if the pilots were incapacitated. Would you feel safer on a international flight knowing there's a skilled officer on board who can also fly the plane?
The TSA simply existing is a huge deterrent, and that is enough to make people feel safe, regardless of the inconveniences. All of the scanning equipment and explosive detecting devices, no fly databases etc. are obviously doing what they were intended and working. Are they perfect, hell no, especially the low skilled workers on the ground.
You seem to be focusing on publicized failures to insinuate that the TSA should just be dissolved when in reality, you have no idea all the behind the scenes workings that's keeping you safe, like a fire extinguisher in your house that you may never need.
Turtley13 t1_iy9rkwz wrote
In order to stop something from happening you need to have FOILED it.
The CIA and FBI have proof of these things. The TSA has not.
ccoady t1_iy9vtzq wrote
That's not true. The FBI and CIA investigate and gather intelligence with HUGE resources. They have authority throughout the country and across the planet. The TSA does not have that. The TSA is a deterrent. They don't foil plans because they don't investigate. They only act on what is in front of them. You don't seem to know what the TSA does.
Turtley13 t1_iy9yi32 wrote
It hasn't prevented any terrorist attacks that's for sure.Please tell me how the TSA would have stopped 9/11 exactly? Confiscating their fake bombs?
ccoady t1_iyd1tv8 wrote
Well, 9/11 was carried out with box cutters. The pilots throats were slit. Also, there could have been an armed Air Marshal on board. Those would have been detected at the gate and not let onto the plane. In the case of the plane that was overtaken by passengers.
Now think. There have been ZERO terrorist attacks or hijackings since 9/11 involving planes. The job of the TSA is to ensure safety of passengers and prevent concealed weapons from making it's way onto the plane. The simple fact that there have been ZERO terrorist attacks shows you the TSA has been a deterrent. So it may have prevented terrorist attacks, we just don't know how many of the thousands of confiscated weapons every year were intended to be used on the plane. Maybe zero, maybe 10.
Turtley13 t1_iyda3vw wrote
So reinforced doors and Air Marshals stop hijackings not TSA.
GOtcha.
ccoady t1_iydgj3v wrote
No, scanners and TSA agents stop weapons from being brought on board by catching thousands of guns per year and 10's of thousands of knives. The fact that would be terrorists now KNOW they can't get these on board because of the scanning, TSA pat downs, no-fly lists, air marshals, secure cockpit doors, bomb sniffing dogs, etc.
You're so close to getting it, but I have a feeling you don't WANT to understand.
Ima_piece_of_shit t1_iy55c2g wrote
Shut the fuck up. Time and time again it's been proven that the tsa has not prevented any actual terror plots and has let through actual security threats either due to accidents by passengers or intentional probing of the security measures. Tsa is a waste of time and money.
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