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kaitb1103 t1_j9h25j3 wrote

Reply to comment by lennyj17 in update on PRT route changes - P3 changes postponed by ndpeter

Actually, I think it would significantly help ease congestion on P1’s by going downtown. Right now, P1’s are so crowded every single bus that they really need help decongesting them (at least, they’re super crowded in the morning).

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lennyj17 t1_j9h2pu5 wrote

No ones going to take that longer detour through Oakland on the P3… They will still crowd onto P1 P2. I remember when they tried to stop P2s from entering downtown, it served no purpose but make P1 that more crowded….

Heads at PRT couldnt be more “I work for transit, but damn if you ever catch me riding the bus” out of touch people.

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kaitb1103 t1_j9h31dw wrote

See- I would 😅😂 I’m in Point breeze north and I regularly wait for a non crowded P2 versus a P1…..like every day.

I’d do the same with a P3. But plan my day accordingly so I’m not late for work.

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lennyj17 t1_j9huu7n wrote

You should demand more P1/P2s then, not be forced to take an extra 15-20 min detour through Oakland and Uptown. And I venture to say most people would not be willing to take that detour you are, you in the minority.

P1/P2 Downtown P3 Oakland

Simple, nobody gets confused.

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sebileis t1_j9hp3yb wrote

The East Busway before COVID was pretty much at-capacity and seems to be back to if not past that point now. The most practical thing they could do is convert the busway to light rail (there are even tracks that terminate at Penn Station and connect to Steel Plaza that were built for this exact purpose) but given the staunch anti-rail attitude at PRT we'll probably never see that happen.

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lennyj17 t1_j9huyp6 wrote

Or just run more P1/P2s seems like the cheaper solution.

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sebileis t1_j9hv7eh wrote

I think you missed the part about the busway itself being at-capacity. If you run too many more buses than they currently do particularly during rush hour you’re going to have bus bunching issues like we currently see on the Pittsburgh-Oakland corridor. Contrary to what many people in this sub wish to believe there does come a point where buses, even articulated ones, are no longer the most efficient solution.

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lennyj17 t1_j9hvj9h wrote

Busway is nowhere near capacity… come on now… PAT had nearly 40 routes utilizing the Busway at Rush Hour back in the 90s, there aren’t even half that many routes today…. Commuter express buses have been slashed to the bare bone.

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sebileis t1_j9hvnnq wrote

Okay, enjoy your gas guzzlers then!

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lennyj17 t1_j9hxmbv wrote

Electric transition remember.

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sebileis t1_j9hxuh9 wrote

Yeah, to battery buses that crap out after a few months using rare earth metals that require insane carbon emissions to mine. Definitely the most sustainable option! /s

If you’re gonna have such a hard-on for buses you can at least admit trolleybuses are a better option if they want to be serious about electrification. But they aren’t, and you won’t, so here we are.

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oak-hearted t1_j9i01ck wrote

I've never seen the busway itself that busy, pre or post-COVID.

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