Antiviral3 t1_ize5uqi wrote on December 8, 2022 at 1:24 PM

Reply to comment by mvc594250 in Can you visit St. Anthony's chapel ? by punkie23

Know what’s bizarre to me? The number of Catholics who are suddenly concerned about “obscure dogma virtual signaling” above all other aspects of being Catholic.

mvc594250 t1_ize5yjw wrote on December 8, 2022 at 1:25 PM

I genuinely do not know what you mean by this comment.

Antiviral3 t1_ize9876 wrote on December 8, 2022 at 1:53 PM

I know. But I am Catholic, educated by Catholic priests and nuns. We were taught the rules. We learned the mass. But we were also taught the value of welcoming new people — openness, of bringing Christ into our lives outside of church, and if respecting other denominations and faiths. Suddenly everyone is concerned about conservative dress and posting “SILENCE” signs everywhere. My priest growing up would prop the door open during mass to let the world in and let Christ out. Have a Pop Warner football game after church? Wear your uniform to mass and blend church with the rest of your life. Let that baby talk during mass. He’s the future of our faith community. The openness was beautiful. Now anyone who veers from robotic adoration in silence with properly folded hands is disrespectful and judged. I’m Catholic just as much as you but I am not on board this crazy train. Maybe the energy directed to all of these proper adoration sessions would be better directed to volunteering at Catholic Services and bringing Christ into the community.

mvc594250 t1_izebh1x wrote on December 8, 2022 at 2:11 PM

I'm an atheist who was raised Lutheran, so I think that's worth saying first.

Second, I think that you're missing my point. I'm saying that if one let's their Catholicism (or as I've recurrently said, and other sect or religion) guide their politics or their daily interactions with others, but fundamentally knows nothing about what their church believes, I don't understand them.

You talk a lot about openness and respect, but your church doctrine fundamentally is not about either of those things. Even at communion, the blood is no longer poured out "for all", but "for many". Your church believes that some how mortals need to earn their way to the grace of God through worldly acts. So, worldly acts need to be in accordance with the kinds of things God likes and opposed to those things he despises. If you don't understand what those kinds of acts really are, but spout on about what nations need to do to be more godly, I do not know what you're basing your politics on other than what you personally feel is good or bad.

Antiviral3 t1_izeekhz wrote on December 8, 2022 at 2:35 PM

OK. We're talking past each other, and I'm pretty sure no one else on this subReddit about Pittsburgh matters needs to hear more about our informed religious views.