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hellionlord t1_j1wg4on wrote

Reply to comment by Locksmith-Pitiful in Brett Smiley looks to change / eliminate bicycle lane on South Water Street by Locksmith-Pitiful

What an embarrassing cop out. If you want to advanced green transportation initiatives you should do so in way that is productive and inclusive. You seem to be pretty uninformed about this topic so I get why you don’t want to talk about it in a detailed way.

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wgest wrote

What evidence do you have that catering to only cars in a city provides more benefit than a city that has accessible infrastructure for everyone?

All my reasoning is based literally on the US and global transit positions and goals and evidence in urban planning journals.

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hellionlord t1_j1wl1ln wrote

I don’t need evidence to argue for that position, as I haven’t advocated for that. What evidence do you have that increased idling and stagnant traffic is good for the environment?

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wo9mp wrote

You've railed against accessible infrastructure. What evidence do you have it isn't a good idea?

>What evidence do you have that increased idling and stagnant traffic is good for the environment?

Accessible infrastructure reduces car use and congestion. It's the same notion that "to decrease congestion, we need more lanes" but in reality, congestion and pollution increases because it encourages car use.

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hellionlord t1_j1wqcl9 wrote

I haven’t railed against anything, I’ve simply stated that the bike lanes as they are, are underutilized and increased traffic congestion.

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wv10h wrote

>I’ve simply stated that the bike lanes as they are, are underutilized and increased traffic congestion.

Fuck these arguments are horribly illogical but I'll take the bait.

I'd love to see the stats on that, not that it matters, we make investments all the time because we know from the evidence it works out in the long run, right? You also know that in that long run, congestion decreases and this infrastructure is more used, right...? How do you think cars came about? Or acceptance of renewable energy? Or literally anything else? It's a mindset shift through infrastructure, something we do all the time to advance society.

Anyhoo, all the more reason to keep moving forward with building more.

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lightningbolt1987 t1_j1yjizm wrote

There’s not an increase in traffic. South Water Street is empty 95% of the day and barely has traffic at rush hour. That’s partially why the bike lane makes sense at that location—the road was previously way over capacity for how many cars used it.

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