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ImmobilizedbyCheese t1_jbadoha wrote

Reply to comment by Original-Quarter1833 in Richmond pretty decent tippers by ExtremeHobo

Wish this would apply to all waitstaff salaries. Pay a living wage. Fuck off with tips. Most of the rest of the world manages to do this and food prices aren't prohibitively expensive.

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbcept9 wrote

Most of the world that would appeal to americans have fair labor standards and pay living wages. Waiting tables is one of the few jobs in the us that you can pick up easily(yes it is hard work) and make a decent and fair living to support a family. By doing away with tipping you are counting on the same bosses who do not pay fair wages to then raise prices to match the earnings of waitstaff and then be honest and actually give that to waitstaff.

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Notexactlyanoob t1_jbekalf wrote

But they aren't raising prices. People (who tipped as they should) will still be paying the same, psychological perceptions aside. Tipping was created 100% to benefit the restaurants, not the customers or the employees. Do you know the history of how it came about? Why do you defend the practice? And how it it fair when you have to rely on others who can literally screw you out of good pay for a shift/table because they are assholes. Really fair that. Dont trust a boss who can be held accountable but trust rando strangers who aren't. Bugger off defending tipping as a practice.

I will tip minimum 20% as a starting point as long as it IS the practice for the US, and youre an asshole if you dont, but to defend it? Thats flipping dumb.

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbf2eoi wrote

So they are gonna pay 20% of gross receipts to waitstaff and not raise prices? Ok buddy love to hear how you expect that to work. Waited tables for over a decade, the percentage of folks who stiffed me was less then a quarter of a percent. Cooking, I gave up so much of my life and got so little in return. If my business fails I know I can return to waiting tables and be ok. I am not concerned with the history of tipping, I just know that the combined history of the system of american labor has lead us to the point where waiting tables is my only other viable skill to rely on. I dont know why you are being so hostile.

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Notexactlyanoob t1_jbf3hei wrote

Sigh. If you raise prices by 20% and people who used to tip 20% dont have to tip anymore, they will be paying the same price. How hard is that to understand?

And yes, tipping was established 100% to benefit restaurants at the expense of the staff. But anecdotal data is worth what its worth.

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbf3nb6 wrote

You litterally said “but they are not raising prices” lol

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Notexactlyanoob t1_jbf3yox wrote

Yes, in effect, to the customer (who already tip appropriately), the prices wont be raised because they will be paying the same. Thats why I said aside from the psychological aspect (of seeing a higher number on the menu), the ACTUAL price they pay will remain the same.

For people who dont tip 20%, yeah, they will pay more, that doesnt bother me. If they could afford to eat before with however they tipped, but cant with a forced 20% "tip" baked into the price, maybe they should stay home. For those that typically tip more than 20? You can still tip additional for excellent service unless its against the business policy to accept tips. Like everywhere else in the world.

So try again?

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbfsc1w wrote

So they are raising prices just like I said on my original post. Im really not sure why you keep talking about this, nor why you are so condescending. Im not the smartest guy, but its a pretty simple and old concept. I understand how the economics work. I agree most people will not have a problem with paying more in the overall bill with the trade off that there will be no responsibility to tip. I do have an issue with the idea that this will work with no mechanism to make sure the owners will not find fuck with the money, such as raising the price 20% giving employees 15%.

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Notexactlyanoob t1_jbfspzm wrote

Sigh. Because you're being obtuse. The prices, the cost to the consumer, in effect, would not rise if you're already tipping 20%, like ya should. How many times do I have to repeat what I meant before you get over yourself?

Thats what regulation is for. Like all kinds of workplaces have. Like the ones allowing them to pay less than minimum wage because of tips currently. No one said it should be a free for all, keeping the current laws, or that unfair rules should be put in place. That would be incredibly stupid to argue for. Strawmen are good for farming, not for discussions.

Stop defending systems that were LITERALLY designed to work against you.

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbfvnrm wrote

Lol your taking what i said and trying to explain it back to me and calling me obtuse. We are saying the same thing. You are really toxic dude. Maybe try therapy? You are losing it.

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Notexactlyanoob t1_jbfvusd wrote

Sure. When you say people would be happy to pay more on the overall bill in exchange for not having to worry about tipping we are not saying the same thing. And keep having issues with stuff no one suggested. On a topic you dont know the history of. Have a good day.

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbfwqhr wrote

I cant tell if you are being pedantic, or just a jerk but that is how it would work. The bill would be higher to cover higher labour costs so that a higher than living wage would be achieved tipping would be eliminated. Yes? Fuck the system? All for it dude I want these things. But i dont want these things until the mechanism is there to enforce them. We are in america, i dont see it happening for a long long time.

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Notexactlyanoob t1_jbfwwmw wrote

What's the difference between the bill, and the overall bill?

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbh8z9m wrote

Man that strawman line, so funny!

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redditrva456 t1_jbivk03 wrote

And why should that be a customer’s problem? That sounds like a small business owner problem.

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Pretend-Bread-8856 t1_jbjagnc wrote

I never said anything about the customer. Did you read my post? Do corporate businesses pay particularly well? Im advocating for the worker here.

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redditrva456 t1_jbk8rlp wrote

Did you read what you wrote originally?

“By doing away with tipping”. Who tips? The customer, correct? My statement stands.

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