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ItCanAlwaysGetWorse t1_j9oq1n9 wrote

there's this little fact that has stuck with me:

A "Gym" (short for Gymnasium) in english refers to a place where you physically work out.
A Gymnasium in german is a school.
"Gymnasium" is latin and comes from the greek Gymnásion, which is a place where they did both: sports and learning (mostly sports though, and they did it naked for some reason).
I think the ancient greeks were already onto something there, physical and mental health/performance might be linked. Maybe that's what "Mens sana in corpore sano" (a healthy mind in a healthy body) refers to.

I think regular sports in school is important for more than just preventing obesity.

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teeth_lurk_beneath t1_j9otvwf wrote

Until they became Christians and the gymnasium and fitness were seen as vain things. I believe that's what happened in Constantinople at least.

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WanderingPickles t1_j9oze7h wrote

It wasn’t so much that it was vanity as it was the legacy of games being a pagan religious activity. We forget that the ancient games were first and foremost religious festivals that incorporated ritualized combat (all of the ancient Olympic events were first and foremost combat skills - not that hand-to-hand-combat-ballroom-dancing doesn’t have a certain appeal in theory…).

It is true that as the empire turned away from paganism it eschewed various aspects of civic and private life that were incompatible with the Christian ethical/moral construct. Remember, the festivals were not some sort of neutral, secular, agnostic affairs. They were first and foremost acts of religious devotion and expressions of faith. And since Christianity (and Judaism for that matter) has a pretty strict prohibition about worshipping other gods, it all had to go.

Thus we see the end of gladiators fighting to the death, the large games (Olympian, Delphian, etc.) and a wide range of other activities, events and festivals. The ancient philosophic schools also declined as society morphed and changed; they were replaced by other schools and institutions more in line with the contemporary mores of the period.

As the gymnasiums were a fusion of the pagan philosophical tradition and the pagan religious athletic tradition, it faded as well. I am very interested to learn about how that particular area of interest evolved though. It isn’t as though athletes suddenly disappeared or that fitness and martial prowess went up in smoke. Like mosaicists, sculptors, etc. who used their skills & interests to praise the pagan gods and the Christian God, I am sure athletes found another similar outlet. And I don’t know about it.

There has been some interesting work around the decline of the large public bath. The latest thinking being that the public bath declined primarily as the result of environmental and economic factors. Baths consumed vast amounts of water and fuel (to heat the water). This cost vast amounts of money. Throw in the persistence of ideas around virtue and vice (Christian frowning on men and women being naked/bathing in each others company was not new or novel in any way) and presto, end of the large public baths.

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teeth_lurk_beneath t1_j9p02m6 wrote

Thank you so much for the response. It was very interesting, and I learned a lot from you. Not just new facts, but new strings to tug on too. I hope you have a great day!

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BeenBadFeelingGood t1_j9sbq4z wrote

“No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

—socrates

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