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Conscious_Egg_6233 t1_jb5z3mu wrote

Reply to comment by InTheEndEntropyWins in Lung cancer patients with moderate to severe depression at diagnosis are 2 to 3 times more likely to have inflammation levels that predict poor survival rates, a new study found. (n=186) by geoff199

>We know that depression is linked to exercise, sleep and diet. The actual mechanisms aren't clear but it could be due to BDNF, increased microcondrial health, brain volume, blood flow, anti-inflammatory, etc.

So it might be that depression is just correlated to poor survival rates, where the actual causal factors are sleep, diet and exercise.

This is false. Depression is linked to exercise, sleep, and diet but they are don't cause major depreesion. You can have great sleep, diet, and exercise habits and still develop major depression which increases your inflammatory markers. I actually had a case of major depression that popped up and my inflammatory markers were high even though I was in excellent shape. Major depression can increase inflammation regardless of your habits. Lesser forms of depression can get better with or even treated with working out and better sleep but not major depression.

>“Depression should not be discounted. This study shows the strong link between depression and inflammation, with both related to poor outcomes

https://news.osu.edu/depression-linked-to-deadly-inflammation-in-lung-cancer-patients/

Which lines up with the fact exercise, sleep and diet all act as anti-inflammatory.

platelet-to-lymphocyte ratio is one of the biomarkers for inflammation. Exercise, sleep, and diet don't affect that ratio. Only major depression does. Your assumptions are wrong here.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470658/#i1523-5998-8-2-106-b3

We have studies showing that exercise is just as if not more effective as medicine and therapy in treating depression

It doesn't mention the type of depression and it only REDUCES not completely treats major depression. It has to be completed treated not just reduced to a lesser degree of depression. Meds are necessary for treatment. Like wise you post a bunch of stuff and are too illeterate to know that it shows that exercise is good but isn't a cure all. Meds are needed in many cases especially for major depression due to chemotherapy. You sound like you're playing doctor. right now.

>University of South Australia researchers are calling for exercise to be a mainstay approach for managing depression

Manages. Not cures or treats.

>In conclusion, PA is effective for improving depression and anxiety across a very wide range of populations.

Improves depression and anxiety, does not cure or treat.

>Sleep, exercise and depression are all linked to brain volume

Linked doesn't mean anything. Poverty is also linked to lack of sleep, depression, and exercise. I'm surprised you haven't pushed hustle culture BS here too.

>Exercise has massive effects on mitochondria, which might be partly a mechanism in relation to depression.

Linked just means it appears in relation to. We don't know the cause or what the true fix is. But the best medical practices is talk therapy alongside medication as needed.

>Sleep is really important, if you aren't sleeping properly you have have a tenfold higher risk of depression,

People with insomnia , for example, may have a tenfold higher risk of developing depression From

The fact you conflate proper sleep with insomnia is stupid. You can't "proper sleep habits" your way out of clinically diagnosed insomnia. It doesn't mean "goes to bed late".

The fact that you would post stuff that doesn't prove your point and yet be too illiterate to understand what you are reading is wild

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InTheEndEntropyWins t1_jb8vpto wrote

>This is false. Depression is linked to exercise, sleep, and diet but they are don't cause major depreesion.

Source?

>You can have great sleep, diet, and exercise habits and still develop major depression which increases your inflammatory markers.

I agree

>Lesser forms of depression can get better with or even treated with working out and better sleep but not major depression.

In your post you keep on referring to different forms of depression.

Major depressive disorders is just the name for basic normal depression. All the other types are worse or specialist types of depression.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9290-depression

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>platelet-to-lymphocyte ratio is one of the biomarkers for inflammation. Exercise, sleep, and diet don't affect that ratio. Only major depression does. Your assumptions are wrong here.

Seems like exercise does acutely effect the ratio.

>Compared to NLR, far less evidence is available on the PLR in the context of exercise. Of the five studies investigating the impact of acute exercise on the PLR, three showed increased values post-exercise, indicating an inflammatory response
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>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8192383/

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>It doesn't mention the type of depression and it only REDUCES not completely treats major depression.

Again major depression is the normal basic depression everyone is talking about. If it was some other type they would specify.

The current view is nothing "cures" depression. So pretty much every study will just talk about treating it.

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>Treatment vs. cure
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>When someone is cured from an illness, it means it’s gone forever. Some illnesses can’t be cured—like diabetes. Once a person gets diabetes, they’ll have it for the rest of their life. But even a lifelong illness like diabetes can be treated. People who take their medications regularly and make some lifestyle changes can live long and healthy lives. These medications and lifestyle changes are treatments for diabetes.
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>Depression is the same way. There’s no cure for depression, but there are lots of effective treatments. People can recover from depression and live long and healthy lives.
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>https://screening.mhanational.org/content/depression-curable/

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>Meds are needed in many cases especially for major depression due to chemotherapy. You sound like you're playing doctor.

Sure people can use meds. It's like when I cut myself, I might take a painkiller. While it isn't fixing the underlying issue, it does help.

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>The fact that you would post stuff that doesn't prove your point and yet be too illiterate to understand what you are reading is wild

You are the one who thinks that "major" depression is like some super duper serious form of depression, rather than just the medical name for basic clinical depression.

You are the one who doesn't know that every study on depression treatment will just talk about treating it rather than curing it.

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