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CrayonDelicacies t1_jdftzix wrote

“A study shows that people are more likely to take care of their health if they could afford it”

There, fixed it.

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JoshShabtaiCa t1_jdhn2r1 wrote

No, this study actually puts hard numbers on it, not just "more likely". That's far more useful than your summary.

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Saoirsenobas t1_jdh97q3 wrote

Just because something seems intuitively obvious does not mean it is true, and it certainly doesn't mean government institutions will accept it as fact. If a credible, peer reviewed scientific study demonstrates a societal issue that is a small step towards real change.

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ooo-ooo-ooh t1_jdhb8h0 wrote

My man. If we didn't adhere to this principle the Earth would still be flat.

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thereign1987 t1_jdhj9a2 wrote

Hell government institutions don't accept facts as facts, exactly it's already an uphill task trying to get legislators to actually do their jobs, having facts goes a long way to helping, and it's still an uphill task.

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DTFH_ t1_jdhh39e wrote

>If a credible, peer reviewed scientific study demonstrates a societal issue that is a small step towards real change.

Citation needed

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likhal t1_jdhrhf4 wrote

Even if the study showed that people accepted to be destitute in order to afford treatment, would that change the political outcome? Is it ok then?

I am eargerly waiting for the results of the studies that will finally shed some light on whether poor people sleeping in the streets live as long as well fed and housed people. Finally once we have these results we can show them to the political class, thay were only waiting for facts!

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nursejackieoface t1_jdi6gk6 wrote

>once we have these results we can show them to the political class

Bold of you to pretend they care. There is a sizable portion of conservative politics based on government NOT doing anything.

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thereign1987 t1_jdhixwd wrote

The point of these studies is that we this should be able to provide objective proof of how horrible our healthcare system is, but people apparently don't value science.

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CrayonDelicacies t1_jdhvxm3 wrote

I’m actually fascinated by a lot of these studies. But these titles actually detract quite a bit.

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nursejackieoface t1_jdi63kz wrote

There are multiple reasons, but one of them is that hood careers are somewhat dependent on publishing.

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fezzik02 t1_jdhibx7 wrote

To demonstrate the results of extremely tight rationing of health care in the US

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buddhainmyyard t1_jdhql3j wrote

Most posts on this sub are actually common sense, I don't bother reading the links because they usually have no actual science

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Kailaylia t1_jdg7ki6 wrote

When I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, and given no chance of a full recovery, just the possibility of extending my life, the cost of treatment was not an issue, as I'm Australian and luckily had good public transport connecting me with a specialist hospital. The cost of medicines cost around $5 - $10 a week and that was my only expense.

But if I was in America - As I have two handicapped adult offspring to care for, and went through years of pretty well my whole carer's allowance going on house payments while buying nothing ever for myself so I could at least leave my kids with a home of their own, I would have forgone cancer treatment and died a few years faster in order to not lose the house.

Surprisingly, the treatment worked better than expected, now having no detectable cancer at all, saving the government the expense of supervising my sons.

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PsychologicalLuck343 t1_jdi92h0 wrote

Bless you for posting this. This is how people should be treated.

I'm so glad you've made it.

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Kailaylia t1_jdii3mc wrote

Thanks. It breaks my heart hearing stories from friends in America who have had to make really hard choices regarding health care.

There was no medicare in Australia when I was a child and one family I knew had a bunch of children die, one after the other, of an operable heart defect. They were a poor, uneducated, inbred sawmilling family in a remote area in the 60's and no-one who could help cared.

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ObtuseTheropod t1_jdiy4ed wrote

Our broken system killed my dad last year. I'm just glad it isn't like this everywhere.

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PsychologicalLuck343 t1_jdj0ult wrote

I'm so sorry. But I believe you so hard.

My mother's terrible doctor gave her a clean bill of health after she lost 40 pounds in a year and felt horrible for 2 years. She died 2 days after that appointment with undetected heart disease.

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notsurewhattosay-- t1_jdj58s1 wrote

I'm American. My now x husband contracted cholera somehow. Racked up 45,000$ in hospital bills. But fortunately this hospital had a program for poor folks like us. The entire bill was covered by them. But there are plenty of horror stories about hospital bills that don't have a happy ending. I really wish American politics wasn't so cruel to the average person. Time again average people vote in these politicians who trick them and vote against their(average American) interests. Let's also give a shout out to the lobbyists who work so hard paying off and smoozing with our Congress to keep the status quo. Our own cancer institute has a website that promotes eating cold cuts!. We allow tons of polluting chemicals in our drinking water. But currently we are too busy fighting against those drag queens!! It's like living in a crazy nightmare here.

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Kailaylia t1_jdl4eg6 wrote

Obviously it doesn't matter how many people are impoverished by this system, suffer and die horribly, so long as they die heterosexual.

Even the "food pyramid", indoctrinated into us as the model of healthy eating, was constructed to appease grain farmers, and is a recipe for disease and diabetes.

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PsychologicalLuck343 t1_jdipsq6 wrote

That's horrible and I'm sure it happens here multiple times a day.

People can be monsters. We really just have to be better than this.

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Akp1072 t1_jdieajh wrote

I’m in America and on the flip side of this story. One of the first pieces of advice I got from a good friend is: “you will go into debt. Accept it, and move on.” He was still paying off the debts from his very young daughters death 5 years later. And I will likely be paying off my husband’s medical bills long after he is gone. We’re focused on living and doing what we can now with the time we have.

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Kailaylia t1_jdih11l wrote

It's a cruel system in which the health insurers treat Americans like dairy cows, just continually siphoning money off them.

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Chaseus_Clay t1_jdj7pmv wrote

And to think only a few Americans had to die to keep y'all safe from the Japanese! For real, it's frustrating as a working class American knowing how much of my earnings go to protecting the rest of the world. People overseas have no idea

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ncktckr t1_jdji853 wrote

You're focused on the wrong boogyman. We spend obscene amounts of money on military power and soft power, yes. It benefits some people outside the US, but it benefits us the most geopolitically. We should spend less, or at least not continually increase the amount, and put money into programs that help people, yes.

Isolationism and xenophobia aren't as nice as they sound to some on paper. They would not improve the condition of our country's people; in fact, they'd likely worsen many of America's ills… see Brexit as an example.

Instead of focusing on what political leaders want you to focus on—arbitrary large numbers you have no influence on or control over—maybe try understanding the world's bigger picture, the benefits and harms of an international economy, what chess pieces are on the board and why. Perhaps most importantly, focus on participating in your local government (city, county, state; not federal) to advocate for issues, or at least vote for like-minded leaders.

There are no quick fixes in such an extremely complex and interdependent system, unfortunately. Not ideal, but it is what it is.

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Chaseus_Clay t1_jdjq002 wrote

You typed a lot but said essentially nothing past "participate at local elections" which doesn't focus on the problems of not having time to research candidates or that only a certain "type" of person gets the chance to run for local office. I really think that you aren't as aware of and educated on the issues you pretend to care about

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Kailaylia t1_jdl3u1i wrote

That's a strangely aggressive and irrelevant reply to someone who feels sorry for Americans for their abominably cruel health-care system.

Your medical insurance companies are ripping you off. They inflate the costs of services, then add on their own charges, and the result is Americans pay exceptionally high costs for substandard health care.

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Chaseus_Clay t1_jdl4idt wrote

Money that could go to our healthcare instead goes to keeping the world and international trade (which in a capitalist system is the world) safe for all. The security provided by the US isn't charity, but it might as well be if you're European or Japanese or Australian etc

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Kailaylia t1_jdl64os wrote

You're not getting it - as in reasonably priced health care.

Your medical system is costing both your government and your people obscene amounts of money.

Free medical care for all does not cost more, it costs less.

You need to free medicine from the greedy leeches, (health insurance companies,) using health-care as a way to siphon money from hospitals and from those needing medical care.

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lai-shxuan t1_jdfxpes wrote

the conclusion seems so obvious, what's the meaning of this study?

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snowgorilla13 t1_jdge7tg wrote

We need even the most obvious truths codified on paper and indisputable. It's a serious problem.

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kikyou_oneesama t1_jdgupvq wrote

And yet antivaxxers still exist.

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Potentially_Nernst t1_jdhb0ym wrote

Imagine the amount of antivaxxers there would be if credible, peer reviewed scientific studies on the topic did not exist because vaccination working is 'the most obvious truth'.

On second thought, maybe don't imagine that. And stop thinking about antivaxxers, it's almost weekend ;)

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Chaseus_Clay t1_jdj8mn0 wrote

I'm not anti-vax but acting like they are the worst corner of society is dumb. There are things that are far more intuitively evident that people still argue about

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Potentially_Nernst t1_jdsop4d wrote

And I was literally replying to a five-word comment out of which the most important word was 'antivaxxers'.

Would have been a bit strange if I were to attempt naming 'the worst corner of society' simply out of nowhere, don't you think?

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SignalWorldliness873 t1_jdhe6hz wrote

Any scientist will tell you, just because it's published in a peer reviewed paper, doesn't mean it's "indisputable"

If that were true, many scientists would be out of a job

Half of science is skepticism

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MostBotsAreBad t1_jdfz66m wrote

They got paid to do this study.

To be fair, a lot of rich people / politicians insist people will pay anything for medical care they want. It might be worth rebutting.

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Heres_your_sign t1_jdfzgqq wrote

You mean we don't have the best health care system on the planet? Surely my congressman wouldn't lie to me!

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bowser_buddy t1_jdhsbr6 wrote

I don't disagree with your point, but this paper is based on the healthcare system in Vietnam

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Chris-1235 t1_jdga3na wrote

You don't need studies to rebutt such people. Don't try to defemd an utterly pointless study that someone though is worth sharing.

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Altaira99 t1_jdh0rsz wrote

It's an obvious conclusion, but you need the data to back it up, otherwise it's just an anecdote.

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miketdavis t1_jdhfkpn wrote

Oppositional politicians will say you can't make even an obvious claim unless you have data to back it up. Those same oppositional politicians will still ignore this evidence and enjoy the profit of the healthcare industry.

Those people now say you need more evidence, and when you get more evidence they'll ask for more. Hard to convince someone that something is true when they're paid to believe it's not.

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SaHFF t1_jdg0d0a wrote

Same study as another post I got a notification for, but different headline. Makes it much clearer.

Also, f paying for medical care at point of use. Universal healthcare is the only way forward for an equal society.

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notsurewhattosay-- t1_jdj6exx wrote

Keep dreaming!! Bernie Sanders has been trying for so long. The majority of Congress does not care about us. They have amazing health insurance and a fine pension and...can do insider trading without worrying about prison.

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macweirdo42 t1_jdh8mxx wrote

Huh... You tell people that their lives are literally not worth saving and you're surprised that they ended treatment?

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hawklost t1_jdhiv5g wrote

This study was done in Vietnam, where the government fully covers health insurance costs for the poor and elderly.

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StockStrength1908 t1_jdhmk2m wrote

The healthcare system in the USA is broken. I have GERD and need to see a surgeon, but I'm currently in between jobs whlie in Graduate School so I'm just managing by drinking herbal teas and not eating much food.

Healthcare should be universal and free for everyone. It's a ridiculous system in a ridiculous country where people avoid healthcare they need because of money.

On the flip side, my mom HAS health insurance but got diagnosed with an autoimmune disease in her late 60s. Her injections to try to save her life were thousands of dollars per injection even with health insurance. Damned if you do damned if you don't really.

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ResponsibilityDue448 t1_jdhetr1 wrote

People who are against universal healthcare are selfish detriments to society. You can’t change my mind.

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leftistpropaganja t1_jdhzmt0 wrote

"No one dies from their lack of access to healthcare." - Current Idaho Attorney General, Raul Labrador

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Humble-Plankton2217 t1_jdhyjre wrote

My friend's mother declined lung cancer treatment because it would have used up all her savings. She knew she was dying and wanted to leave some money for her children and have enough to pay for the funeral.

She died a few weeks ago.

Doctors said the treatment could have extended her life for a year or more.

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-downtone_ t1_jdh5cxi wrote

This is interesting. I'm currently getting medication from mexico to treat my terminal illness and live in the ghetto. Luckily my girl friend can pay for them or I'd be screwed.

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theonlyleedon t1_jdhuz37 wrote

American here, 30, never been to a hospital outside of one emergency treatment and birth. Parents are junkies. I think I have depression and heart problems but I won't check because I live paycheck to paycheck. Gonna die soon. Kill your masters.

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ZootedFlaybish t1_jdh3tgk wrote

The medical INDUSTRY is a farce, along with the rest of civilization.

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80088008135 t1_jdhkzk4 wrote

Currently in this situation. I’m no good to my 8 year old son dead, but I’m not much better if I spent all my money staying alive and I can’t feed him.

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Petal_Chatoyance t1_jdj6ic2 wrote

The lack of universal health care in the US kills people. Period.

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futureshocked2050 t1_jdha70r wrote

And thus the cycle of medical-financial trauma begins.

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redditaccount71987 t1_jdkj9l3 wrote

I actually put my money and time into getting treatment and they served fake reports with it and didn't treat till I was broke leaving hundreds of thousands in care needed.

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Emergency_Paperclip t1_jdhtxp7 wrote

That's crazy that's it's that high though. I would expect it to be a lot lower.

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largos7289 t1_jdhjye2 wrote

This study reminds me of work. It has upper mgmt with no freak'n clue all over it.

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DanYHKim t1_jdhn9jh wrote

What surprises me of that this study was done in Vietnam, not the U.S.

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Secure_SeaLab t1_jdib6ct wrote

What is surprising? You mean bc the USA has such notoriously awful healthcare?

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DanYHKim t1_jdjnelo wrote

Yes. Usually when I read something like this, the subject country is the United States.

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worktogethernow t1_jdjcd9g wrote

Uhhh. People with more money spend more money? Am i missing something.

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