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gizahnl t1_ix7sa52 wrote

Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in A 20 mph speed limit intervention implemented at city centre scale had little impact on short- or long-term outcomes for road traffic collisions, casualties and speed. by _DeanRiding

This is the reason why we in the Netherlands when lowering speed limits also change the design of the street, to make it more uncomfortable to drive fast. I.e. roads are made less wide, trees are planted closer to the road and in greater numbers etc. This is (supposedly) more effective than speedbumps.

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AllanfromWales1 t1_ix7sgex wrote

Certainly more effective in lowering speeds, but not necessarily less dangerous. Trees closer to the roads, for instance, mean less time to see if a child runs out into the road.

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gizahnl t1_ix7v3zh wrote

Not that close ;) It's more to give a much stronger sense of motion when you're driving and trees are swoosh-swooshing past. It makes you feel you go fast, while without you'd speed up.
Streets where kids are likely to pop up on the street usually are woon-erf. Speeds limited to 15kph, ped priority /everywhere/ (i.e. allowed to walk & play anywhere on the street) and a different layout that further inhibits speeding.

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