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obliviousofobvious t1_iznp1cp wrote

Reply to comment by Kenjin38 in The mRNA vaccine technology successfully used for COVID has been adapted to fight malaria, a disease that killed over 625,000 people in 2020. In a research study on mice, two mRNA vaccines were highly effective in reducing infection in the host and in the mosquito vector. by grab-n-g0

This may be the tech required to finally break through with an AIDS vaccine!

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YizWasHere t1_iznpyrc wrote

HIV vaccine*

The bigger limitation in HIV vaccine research is figuring out what immunogens we actually need to deliver and less so how to deliver them.

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obliviousofobvious t1_izuhq6o wrote

Fair and valid point. I was under the impression that the limitation was that traditional methodologies didn't work.

I'll happily stand corrected.

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Kenjin38 t1_iznpbw0 wrote

Yeah, that's what I think a lot of people thought, that's both encouraging and scary, as it implies there will be people screaming for their "basic human rights to infect others".

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obliviousofobvious t1_izo0e8h wrote

I'm still in horrified awe at how something we've been doing for a century has become so hyper politicised, people would rather die.

Is that technically suicide at that point?

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Kenjin38 t1_izo1vdw wrote

I'd be fine with it being a suicide, it'd just be natural selection.

Sadly it is also homicidal.

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Roundabout213 t1_izoo39b wrote

Basically politicians. Politicians are looking to capitalize on any and all differences.

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thrillho333 t1_izocivx wrote

How can you go from saying “we finally have the tech!” to “we’ve been doing this for centuries you morons” in the same breath?

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obliviousofobvious t1_izodp72 wrote

Vaccination as a practice has been something we've been doing for over a century.

Virulent diseases like malaria and HIV were either innefective using the old methodology. mRNA methodologies are simply a different way of causing the exact same effect and have proven effective with these viruses.

Just because we've found a new variation on how to do it, it doesn't preclude THAT we've been doing it since Polio, if not earlier in ancient Egypt.

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thrillho333 t1_izoizm0 wrote

So because the practice of immunization using actual viruses has supposedly been practiced since ancient Egypt, you unequivocally know that this “different way of causing the same effect” is comparably safe but infinitely more effective? And you are in “horrified awe” that these shots, that ushered in a new tech with zero liability, and that were maliciously pushed onto the populace have been politicized?

You realize they had to literally change the definition of vaccine so that people like urselves can tie it into the safe and storied history of vaccines in their propaganda

Edit: also “proven effective for these viruses” is an incredibly naive statement to make on this thread — they are just beginning to understand the efficacy on mice. that’s incredibly long way from being safe products for me

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mOdQuArK t1_izoogck wrote

> unequivocally know that this “different way of causing the same effect” is comparably safe but infinitely more effective

I am far more willing to believe in the opinions of the many experts who have studied the subject in cooperation with each other for years, than I am the half-assed opinions of fear-mongering willful-ignorants whose closest view of a test tube was from mad scientist horror flicks.

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thrillho333 t1_izoxyf7 wrote

Yeah 6 mice were more than sufficient for you to get the bivalent I’m assuming?

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obliviousofobvious t1_izuhi6k wrote

The sheer amount of science that went into mRNA before it ever even made it to the testing phase with the mind boggling amount of intelligent people who worked on it all says it's safe.

But yes; let's trust the "checks notes" random Facebook accounts who all start their thoughts with "I'm no scientist but..."

I'm gonna go with the pros on this one broseph. But you do you.

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