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giggitygoo123 t1_izxb7xs wrote

50% loss is still 2x current capacity

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takanishi79 t1_izy0m2i wrote

Good or bad, a lot of the discussion around new battery technology is about electric vehicles, and that much degradation is a non starter for an EV. I assume that's 50% degradation even with thermal management, which is way worse than any modern EV, and basically as bad as the most abused Gen 1 Leaf.

Most modern EVs expect at most a 20% degradation within 10 years (US law requires manufacturers to provide an 8 year/100k mile warranty in the battery). While double capacity sounds nice, it wouldn't be for cars. As is now, you just could not put this into a car, it would degreade faster than the warranty, so you'd be replacing under warranty constantly (financial suicide), or if you got the warranty requirements changes, they would like reduce the battery size (same range, lower weight), and then you have the problems with the Leaf on everything.

That said, new battery technologies are good. 5 years is probably fine for a phone (assuming they don't reduce battery sizes to compensate, which is not guaranteed), or for industrial application (size your needed battery for the 50% reduction, and you'll just have more capacity before it degrades.

It reminds me of another that was posted either here or to r/electricvehicles, which was a battery with almost no degradation, but power density was really low. It would be a decent option for a power wall, but again awful for an EV due to the weight issues.

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vin227 t1_izyp22e wrote

If you take the 4x capacity, lets say take a 300 mile current battery, now you have 1200 mile range. If we take 1000 cycles at 50% capacity it is 600,000 miles, way more than the vast majority of cars last, and you still have a 600 mile range. 1000 cycles is a lot and barely any battery goes through 1000 cycles in consumer use.

EDIT: With the 100k mile warranty you are barely reaching 100 full charge cycles so if we assume linear degradation the battery has degraded by just around 5%, which would be reasonable amount for any current EV to degrade within 100k miles.

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giggitygoo123 t1_izy9gh2 wrote

I was thinking more in terms of a phone when I wrote that. Great news for phones, not so much with EV

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