i_have_thick_loads OP t1_j392dta wrote
Reply to comment by dr-freddy-112 in Tolerance for the Free Speech of Outgroup Partisans [Both sides of the political divide expressed high overall levels of support for free speech - Republicans more so than Democrats] by i_have_thick_loads
An example or two why someone might think that:
Biden has previously said reducing the percentage of whites in US society is a good thing;
I recall Jimmy Fallon's audience once applauding when he announced a report of whites becoming a minority in a certain projected year
I could give others: police investigations over signs saying "it's ok to be white";
Racist signs during blm supremacist rallies claiming "white silence is violence";
dr-freddy-112 t1_j3955ol wrote
Source on the Biden comment? Source for police investigations into "it's ok to be white" signs?
Jimmy Falon's show is entertainment. There are cue cards for how the audience is supposed to react. You can't use that as an example of that being the opinion of a large group of people.
BLM has nothing to do with racial supremacy. "White silence is violence" is not racist. White people being silent about racial injustice, even when they're not perpetrating it, creates more injustice for people of color. This is a spinoff of something that MLK said.
i_have_thick_loads OP t1_j397frx wrote
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-59179914
Biden:
"Folks like me who were Caucasian, of European descent for the first time in 2017 will be in an absolute minority in the United States of America, absolute minority. Fewer than 50 percent of the people in America from then and on will be White European stock. That’s not a bad thing. That’s as a source of our strength.”
>"White silence is violence" is not racist.
It's literal incitement to violence against whites, and that's what you'd say if whites held posters claiming "muslim silence is violence" after a terror attack.
dr-freddy-112 t1_j398m6b wrote
>"That’s not a bad thing. That’s a source of our strength.”
This is him saying that diversity is good, not that fewer white people being in the US is good. It's a stand against the GOP scare tactic of "we're being outnumbered".
>It's literal incitement to violence against whites
No, it's not. I don't think you understand what this statement means. It means that white people not standing up against racial discrimination is causing more violence against people of color. It's saying that if you stand by while injustice happens, you're complicit. It's not a call to violence at all.
i_have_thick_loads OP t1_j39aaoe wrote
>This is him saying that diversity is good, not that fewer white people being in the US is good
That's called reducing the percentage of whites in the US.
Notice no one says this of the black population in an inner city neighborhood becoming a minority.
>I don't think you understand what this statement means
What do you think violence means? Isn't it ok to use violence in response to violence? Calling whites violent is literal incitement.
Notice how you avoid replacing "white" with muslim or black in a different context.
dr-freddy-112 t1_j39b5jh wrote
You're being disingenuous with that Biden quote.
If Black or Muslim people were the majority, white people were being discriminated against, and those majority groups were silent, it would be the same thing. It would be "Black silence is violence" in that they would be complicit in the violence happening to white people who have less power due to their smaller population.
It's relative to the balance of power.
Honestly, it seems like you're thinking top-down. You came to a conclusion and are now trying very hard to find information that supports your claim, rather than starting with the information to form a whole picture.
i_have_thick_loads OP t1_j39cxnx wrote
>You're being disingenuous with that Biden quote
That's a straightforward conclusion of the quote.
>discriminated against
But blacks aren't societally discriminated against. In fact, whites are societally discriminated against. So how are whites to speak out against discrimination when they're the actual victims?
>If Black or Muslim people were the majority
In many urban areas blacks are in fact the majority or plurality, and often hold institutional political power, and carry out disproportionate violence against ethnic groups such as Asians and Jews. In Chicago and New York the mayor and police chief are black.
Do you agree black silence is violence (against Asians)?
Shouldn't blacks openly condemn black-on-Asian violence before entering Asian owned stores where there's a power dynamic favoring blacks over Asians?
>It's relative to the balance of power.
So it's ok to use violence against a group until they follow the disputed beliefs you hold? If white silence is literally violence don't you agree violence is justified in self-defense?
Or do you oppose violence in self-defense?
dr-freddy-112 t1_j39d7w0 wrote
You need help, my dude. You've wandered into some dark right wing echo chambers and it shows. Whites are not discriminated against in the US. I'm done conversing with you. Get some help.
i_have_thick_loads OP t1_j39drj7 wrote
Should Asian shop owners in NYC be allowed to prohibit violent patrons? If blacks are silent to black-on-Asian violence then aren't they acting violently toward marginalized Asians ?
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