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AadamAtomic t1_j5tda7h wrote

>The health consequences of vaping are not known. Our results show that inhalation of the vapor generated by a popular brand of e-cigarette causes widespread changes inside the lungs, data that further highlight that these products are not inert.

Basically, we still have no clue how bad it is, we just know it's better than regular cigarettes.

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AtomicPickles92 t1_j5tzioc wrote

I grew up with parents who smoked cigarettes. They changed to vapes like as soon as they came out. Before all the kids even had any.

My mom used to fill a paper plate with discharge from her lungs every morning.

She hasn’t done 1 time since vaping.

Yes, you’re still putting smoke and stimulants (and more) in your lungs, but it’s SO MUCH BETTER than real cigarettes. I’ve seen it first hand.

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fairvlad t1_j5zw69c wrote

Also most scientific evidence I've seen points to this being correct. (in the sense vaping has a great potential of being a lot safer if you account for what goes into the solution / e-liquid)

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FailOsprey t1_j5udu84 wrote

We know more than that.

Since only three ingredients are required to make e-juice, it's a hell of a lot easier to do research on than the thousands of chemicals found in a tobacco plant.

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mrt53 t1_j5w52vl wrote

… We have no idea how the e juices (which are not uniform in themselves) decompose when heated by these devices that provide varying levels of heat intensity and exposure.

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FailOsprey t1_j5yj597 wrote

... propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, and nicotine are the only three required ingredients, all of which have decades of research that can be used to generalize their risk upon the lungs.

Also, the vast majority of flavors are FDA approved and many of them have had extensive research done on them, especially those that are used in cooking, frying, etc. There are unknowns, but that doesn't mean we can't quantify the long-term risks. Some of the earliest research accurately predicting the danger of tobacco, for example, were the result of relatively brief experiments on animals in the lab.

Don't get me wrong, there are unknowns. At least some unscrupulous vendors are adding novel ingredients to their e-juice, and some of those are bound to have risks. If the FDA was as worried with consumer protection as they are in handing the industry to the tobacco companies, I'd have been able to provide a better answer than I did.

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AnotherTakenUser t1_j5yuryh wrote

They don't decompose they vaporize, that's the whole point

You are inhaling what the juice is made of

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mrt53 t1_j5w64gn wrote

Do we know it’s better than regular cigarettes? Can you point me to a study that came to that conclusion please?

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AzLibDem t1_j5uw14s wrote

>Basically, we still have no clue how bad it is, we just know it's better than regular cigarettes.

We don't even know that, if we're considering the long term effects.

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AadamAtomic t1_j5uwxfk wrote

>We don't even know that, if we're considering the long term effects.

You are correct....but WE DO know cigarettes cause cancer amung many other problems.

It can't get much worst, and so far we have no clue if it even does that.

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AzLibDem t1_j5uy0lk wrote

>It can't get much worst

Since we have no truly long-term studies, I would resist saying that, especially since the cited study suggests alterations to gene levels.

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AadamAtomic t1_j5uz92p wrote

We know what it's made of.....

It's mostly vegetable glycerine which is in most of your food already and perfectly safe for consumption.
We just have never studied the nicotine effects on lungs without all the smoke damage and the saturation of glycerine through the organ tissue.

Vaping is still unhealthy. But it is factually magnitudes better than actual cigarettes that contain,

checks notes*

Litteral Rat Poison.

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mrt53 t1_j5w5tjy wrote

We have no idea how the components of e-juice (which are not uniform) decompose especially given there are so many different devices that provide different levels of heat intensity and exposure. It’s simply more accurate to say we have no idea of the long term effects of vaping with no provision as to cigarettes. We know cigarettes are bad for your health so you’re welcome to take a gamble on vaping but we really don’t know yet.

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1-trofi-1 t1_j5xkgim wrote

Hey water is in all your.foods and healthy.

Water in your lungs in a big no no. Please stop saying stuff like it is made sth natural that is everywhere.

If you take sth natural process it and then introduce where it is not supposed to be there are going to be problems

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nobrow t1_j5v6t5n wrote

This is true, but consider that your quality of life is better with vapes. In other words, smoking leads to death, and you will have all kinds of issues all the way there. Even if vaping leads to death, you will feel and smell a lot better in the meantime. People shouldn't use vapes if they've never smoked. However, smokers should absolutely switch to vaping.

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