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Plastic-Ad-5324 t1_j5tf7g2 wrote

Do these changes occur with cigarette smoke as well? Or is it unique to vaping?

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ubermeisters t1_j5tu1t0 wrote

And is it unique to vaping a Juul if so? why was this the device they chose to use for the study anyway? Aren't those illegal now or something?

what they should be doing is testing all the fake knockoffs from China because those are the ones the kids are getting.

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denyjunctionfunction t1_j5u1pey wrote

> why was this the device they chose to use for the study anyway?

Without looking, I’m guessing they just went with the popular choice that everyone is aware of.

> Aren't those illegal now or something?

No

> what they should be doing is testing all the fake knockoffs from China because those are the ones the kids are getting.

You’re trying to shift the focus. They chose a popular brand. The study isn’t just looking at the effects on children. Those ones would be a follow up study.

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ubermeisters t1_j5u3me5 wrote

Yes I'm trying to shift the focus to the fact that we need to control what's being sold to be put into youth's bodies. I don't think that's so far off subject.

also this is why I thought Juul was illegal now, I remember seeing this, And I guess I thought more came from it:

> The FDA temporarily banned Juul products in June 2022 because the company failed to provide enough evidence that its products were “appropriate for the protection of public health.” The e-cigarette company has also been accused of fueling the teen vaping crisis by using marketing and advertising tactics to appeal to a younger audience.

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denyjunctionfunction t1_j5ubwhd wrote

What the FDA did is irrelevant. Read the first word of the title.

> Yes I'm trying to shift the focus to the fact that we need to control what's being sold to be put into youth's bodies. I don't think that's so far off subject.

Don’t shift it from seeing if the overall practice has health issues to just focus on what specific products have issues. That can come separately.

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LitLitten t1_j5ufnu7 wrote

In this case Juul— vape brand doesn’t necessarily matter. The brand itself was probably chosen based on popularity. Solutions contained are largely homogeneous save ratios.

Generally speaking, the vape juice is broadly going to be a mix of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, with the %10 percent dedicated to nicotine, flavoring, dye. Nic salt is combining nicotine with an acid to produce a salt better absorbed by the body (juul, common throwaway vapes).

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ubermeisters t1_j5ujx2g wrote

"generally" doesn't interest me, personally. "generally" anything I can buy at a store with money, is reasonably safe for use.

it's the wierd off-brands coming from suspicious places, containing unknown chemicals, that I think are worth looking into more, in addition to the overall study.

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LitLitten t1_j5v8ibi wrote

I was responding to your question why they chose Juul — it’s a popular brand that uses a juice composition pretty standard to the industry. The benefit of this choice being that any findings may be broadly applicable to vaping (as a practice).

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