captainjake9 OP t1_j71wl67 wrote
Reply to comment by ChronoPsyche in How long do you guys think it’s going to be before the eleven labs speech synthesiser source code gets leaked? by captainjake9
> Okay, but the idea that they used this to make more money is a baseless assumption, not some given fact.
It’s a pretty damn good assumption actually
> They had very good reason to take actions to reduce misuse. There was a huge problem with people being impersonated saying horrible things and they did the right thing by taking steps to reduce that misuse.
Not debating this
> The only mistake they made was not considering these ethical considerations from the start.
They are not responsible for these internet freaks using their software to spread lies, they knew and still know damn well people were going to missuse it and they know that not only are there plenty of better ways to beat this as opposed to paying. But tracing credit cards won’t be effective enough.
> And they aren't even charging full price like you claimed, they just removed Voice Lab from the free tier. You can still get 10 custom voices for only $5/month and the first month free.
You say they aren’t charging full price and then say l they locked the custom voices behind a 5 dollars a month paywall with a limited amount of characters
> Considering the tiers range from $5/month all the way to $330/month, I don't know how you can consider that "full price".
And I don’t know how you came to that conclusion bro.
> it seems to me that your problem is with having to spend any money at all.
No it doesn’t seem that way. I said in my comment I have Absolutely no problem with For a resource like this it should be a one time buy with what should be an unlimited amount of characters you can enter.
ChronoPsyche t1_j7208qm wrote
>They are not responsible for these internet freaks using their software to spread lies,
First of all, they absolutely can be held legally liable for misuse of their model and as such have very real motivations to take reasonable steps to reduce misuse. Second of all, regardless of legal liabilities, if they are choosing to hold themselves responsible for reducing misuse, then that is absolutely their prerogative and is a responsible thing for them to do.
>there plenty of better ways to beat this as opposed to paying. But tracing credit cards won’t be effective enough.
And you know this, how? They're the ones looking at the data on who is misusing their software. They said that most misuse came from free anonymous accounts, so it makes sense to me that not allowing voice cloning on free accounts is a good deterrent.
They never said they were going to track credit cards, the idea is that if you have to put in your credit card information, it's very difficult to stay anonymous, and that deters people from misusing it to begin with.
>You say they aren’t charging full price and then say l they locked the custom voices behind a 5 dollars a month paywall with a limited amount of characters
Do you know what full means? Making voice cloning available on the second lowest tier is in no way charging full price.
>And I don’t know how you came to that conclusion bro.
Are you trolling me, dude? The tier prices are listed on their website: https://beta.elevenlabs.io/pricing
>No it doesn’t seem that way. I said in my comment I have Absolutely no problem with For a resource like this it should be a one time buy with what should be an unlimited amount of characters you can enter.
You literally never said this in your comment. And okay, so that's what you think, cool, but just because you don't agree with their pricing model doesn't mean they are "shady people".
I'm done with this conversation, you're clearly not here in good faith since you keep making things up.
captainjake9 OP t1_j7247un wrote
> First of all, they absolutely can be held legally liable for misuse of their model and as such have very real motivations to take reasonable steps to reduce misuse. Second of all, regardless of legal liabilities, if they are choosing to hold themselves responsible for reducing misuse, then that is absolutely their prerogative and is a responsible thing for them to do.
No they absolutely can not. That’s like saying adobe can be held accountable for people photoshopping people next to nazi flags. There’s just no way it’s holding up in court.
> And you know this, how? They're the ones looking at the data on who is misusing their software. They said that most misuse came from free anonymous accounts, so it makes sense to me that not allowing voice cloning on free accounts is a good deterrent.
It WOULD make sense, but your forgetting that all these guys need is a one month of the free trail and they can make Emma Watson read mien kamf again or make Joe Biden say transphobic shit. That’s literally all they need to do what they have ALREADY DONE.
> Do you know what full means? Making voice cloning available on the second lowest tier is in no way charging full price.
No, but restricting character limits on voice cloning for every tier except the highest paid tier IS charging full price.
> You literally never said this in your comment.
My bad, I got my Comments mixed up.
> And okay, so that's what you think, cool, but just because you don't agree with their pricing model doesn't mean they are "shady people".
At this point you know That’s not why I think they are shady people so stop trying to look good for plebbit updoots. For the third time, I’m saying I think they are shady people because they used this recent fiasco as an excuse to make more money.
> I'm done with this conversation, you're clearly not here in good faith since you keep making things up.
You won’t be missed lmao
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