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Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9vlnsa wrote

Reply to comment by beders in New agi poll says there is 50% chance of it happening by 2059. Thoughts? by possiblybaldman

in the Chinese room it is not the operator that knows Chinese, it is the setuo of rules + operator that clearly knows Chinese. A llm spent needed to be conscious to master language

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beders t1_j9wj8hw wrote

The operator doesn’t know Chinese. Do I need to spell out the analogy to chatGPT?

ChatGPT is great at word embeddings and completion but is an otherwise dumb algorithm. Comparing that to human’s ability to express themselves with language is useless.

I mean if you don’t get the Chinese room experiment you might think Eliza is a master of psychology.

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Representative_Pop_8 t1_j9wsu89 wrote

you're not getting it, the operator doesn't know chinese, but the whole setup does. chatGPT clearly understands several languages, it doesn't need to be conscious to understand.

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beders t1_ja1diap wrote

So much for mastery:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1629159014272581634?s=20

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Representative_Pop_8 t1_ja1f2qz wrote

it know the language it also hallucinates, but in pretty good English. humans can also invent fake stories that doent mean they don't know the language

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beders t1_ja1g5oh wrote

It’s almost as if it would just be a text completion engine … which it is.

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beders t1_ja1dnlz wrote

If you can’t reason about language you can’t understand it. ChatGPT is the operator.

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Representative_Pop_8 t1_ja1eoph wrote

chatGPT can reason about language, itv is not equivalent to the operator it is v equivalent to the v while Chinese room system, which clearly understands

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