FirstOrderCat t1_j9j9qlg wrote on February 22, 2023 at 11:03 AM

Reply to comment by sticky_symbols in What are your thoughts on Eliezer Yudkowsky? by DonOfTheDarkNight

which field? ai danger awareness? It was in the terminator movie.

sticky_symbols t1_j9m3uus wrote on February 22, 2023 at 11:21 PM

Good point, but those didn't convince anyone to take it seriously because they didn't have compelling arguments. Yudkowsky did.

FirstOrderCat t1_j9m6fj2 wrote on February 22, 2023 at 11:38 PM

>but those didn't convince anyone to take it seriously

Lol, I totally got the idea that rogue robot can start killing humans long before I learn about Yudkowsky existance.

> Yudkowsky did.

could you support your hand-waving by any verifiable evidence?

sticky_symbols t1_j9m6t5d wrote on February 22, 2023 at 11:41 PM

Well, I'm now a professional in the field of AGI safety. Not sure how you can document influence. I'd say most of my colleagues would agree with that. Not that it wouldn't have happened without him but might've taken many more years to ramp up the same amount.

FirstOrderCat t1_j9m8bhd wrote on February 22, 2023 at 11:53 PM

> Not that it wouldn't have happened without him but might've taken many more years to ramp up the same amount.

happened what exactly? what are the material results of his research?

I think Azimov's with his rules produces earlier and much stronger impact.

> I'm now a professional in the field of AGI safety

Lol, you adding AGI makes my bs detector beeping extremely loud.

Which AGI exactly you are testing for safety?

sticky_symbols t1_j9m8yn3 wrote on February 22, 2023 at 11:58 PM

Asimov's rules don't work, and many of the stories were actually about that. But they also don't include civilization ending mistakes. The movie I Robot actually did a great job updating that premise, I think.

One counterintuitive thing is that people in the field of AI are way harder to convince than civilians. They have a vested interest in research moving ahead full speed.

As for your bs detector, I'm don't know what to say. And I'm not linking this account to my real identity. You can believe me or not.

If you're skeptical that such a field exists, you can look at the Alignment Forum as the principle place that we publish.

FirstOrderCat t1_j9ma8lr wrote on February 23, 2023 at 12:07 AM

> Asimov's rules don't work

you jump to another topic. Initial discussion was that Azimov rules brought much more awareness, and you can't point on similar material results from Yudkovsky.

sticky_symbols t1_j9mbzia wrote on February 23, 2023 at 12:19 AM

Sorry; my implication was that Asimov introduced the topic but wasn't particularly compelling. Yudkowsky created the first institute and garnered the first funding. But of course credit should be broadly shared.