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Verzingetorix t1_jdmif7d wrote
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No. Trade skills are not replaceable by software.
Most jobs that need people to physically engage with their duties are safe until reliable robotics come along. But we're talking about software not hardware.
SnoozeDoggyDog OP t1_jdmniiy wrote
> No. Trade skills are not replaceable by software. > > Most jobs that need people to physically engage with their duties are safe until reliable robotics come along. But we're talking about software not hardware.
How does this jibe with reports that white collar jobs and jobs held by people with bachelor degrees will be the most impacted moving forward?
Are these not "skilled"?
Unless you run your own small business, most blue collar jobs pay less, but with more strain and health impact.
Verzingetorix t1_jdmrn2u wrote
My comment was specifically about modeling.
SnoozeDoggyDog OP t1_jdmtzi1 wrote
> My comment was specifically about modeling.
My point is that AI impacting modelling has little to do with "skills" because AI is already threatening to replace "skilled" trades as well.
Unless you want everyone to be plumbers or waiters, I'm not exactly sure how this helps.
Verzingetorix t1_jdmudk6 wrote
Ok, then we are talking about different things.
DeltaV-Mzero t1_jdmpjzm wrote
Reliable robotics is a few years off at most. It’s really just a cost question, and that’s really just a volume question.
Verzingetorix t1_jdmsbdj wrote
I don't think we will have robot plumbers any time soon.
Similarly, a lot of jobs that take place outside of a computer, either partially or fully, will be safe from AI for a long time.
DeltaV-Mzero t1_jdmtmwr wrote
Depends on your definition of “soon” but I give it 5 years tops. The robots can physically do it, and the “mental” side is advancing so fast right now I can’t keep track of it.
Of course, if every other job is replaced by AI / robots, it doesn’t matter. Nobody will have money to pay the plumber
Verzingetorix t1_jdmuhx5 wrote
Do you honestly believe we will have robot plumbers in 5 years?
Who today is building, or planning, the manufacturing plants for these robots?
How's the robot going to make it to the job site?
I swear some of you live in a dream state and are so out of touch with how society works it i's mind numbing.
You know plumbers need to be certified right? What mechanism is being developed to validate the work if a plumber robot will be done in accordance with Codes and Regulations?
SkyeandJett t1_jdmv6d5 wrote
That's conservative. It'll take time to deploy but you'll have a robot capable of it this year I can almost guarantee it. My money is on the 1X NEO that OpenAI just invested in.
fiftyfourseventeen t1_jdnsmo3 wrote
This year? You guys are insane lol. Computer vision is absolutely trash compared to the state of language models. And no, feeding each frame into GPT 4 is not a good or viable option either.
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fiftyfourseventeen t1_jdnul9a wrote
Somebody finally said it lol. I think it's easy to see everything with starry eyes if you don't know all that much about robotics or how AI architectures actually work. Companies like Boston dynamics have been trying to solve robotics in the real world for years. Trying to make a humanoid like creature that can move around in an environment is EXTREMELY hard. And that's just on the robotics end, not the AI end.
The best AI right now are text gen and image gen. This is largely because of the amount of training data available for them. Trying to train an agent to interact with environment to preform a skilled trade? That's such an inconceivably hard task. Think about how much time Tesla has tried to make a self driving car, which is honestly really simple compared to a trade. There are maps that tell you the location of every building and road in the world, and there are a set of rules that everyone has to follow. Even then, it still has problems like running lights, failing to see pedestrians in front of it, hell even just looking at the screen you can see it bugging out trying to figure out if it's looking at a truck, car, or a bike.
Now think of that in trade terms. How are we going to have an AI purchase the hardware needed, go to the house, ask the owner what the problem is and where it is, diagnose the problem, and then fix it, all without screwing up and flooding the whole house. These are orders of magnitude more difficult problems for AI to solve that writing an essay, writing code, or creating an image. And we don't even have a lick of training data.
And then for anybody who's like "oh well it was also inconceivable for text and image gen", well I mean maybe for most people, but I think a lot of people (including myself) saw huge potential in them since years ago. I also develop image, video, and language models so it's not like I'm clueless about AI either.
DeltaV-Mzero t1_jdmuu75 wrote
They won’t cover all jobs or be completely autonomous, but I think they’ll be able to be remotely supervised; with a single experienced plumber managing ~5 or so of them at once.
dwarfarchist9001 t1_jdnxsla wrote
Multiple companies are working on general purpose humanoid robots right now including Tesla who have already demonstrated prototypes of the hardware.
Even if that was not the case, the combination of AGI, 3D printing, and nanotechnology means that in the near future products will go from concept to mass production in months or even weeks not years.
Ok-Training-7587 t1_jdngj42 wrote
We already have robotics. We have automation. Now we have ai. Honestly how hard is it to stick chatgpt into a Boston dynamics bot?
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