RealFrizzante t1_jdzo6qw wrote on March 28, 2023 at 11:16 AM

Reply to comment by dokushin in The goalposts for "I'll believe it's real AI when..." have moved to "literally duplicate Einstein" by Yuli-Ban

How are you so certain?

dokushin t1_je0p6kh wrote on March 28, 2023 at 3:59 PM

You propose that there is a secret database that doesn't show up on any search containing rhymes in every meter for every topic, name, and location?

RealFrizzante t1_je0qjon wrote on March 28, 2023 at 4:08 PM

Lol no, not at all.

The rhyming is pattern recognition, or in this case pattern assembly, which is something this AI is very cappable of.

But that has nothing to do with AGI

dokushin t1_je0yg59 wrote on March 28, 2023 at 4:58 PM

I was addressing original thought. Do you think employing pattern recognition prevents a thought from being original?

RealFrizzante t1_je0z9wm wrote on March 28, 2023 at 5:03 PM

Not necesarily.

I see two problems, regarding this AI being unrelated to AGI: -Literally a prompt. -Throwback chuncks of non original material.

I would agree that human original thought does use previous knowledge and AI should be "Allowed" to.

But it misses the point. Artificial General Intelligence should act on demand and without it. If it only acts on demand it is not AGI, moreover atm afaik it is cappable of doing tasks it has been trained for, in a specific field of knowledge.

It is very much lacking the general in AGI.

dokushin t1_je18mky wrote on March 28, 2023 at 6:01 PM

> moreover atm afaik it is cappable of doing tasks it has been trained for, in a specific field of knowledge

This isn't true; the same GPT model will happily do poetry, code, advice, jokes, general chat, math, anything you can express by chatting with it. It's not trained for any of the specific tasks you see people talk about.

As for the on demand stuff -- I agree with you there. It will need to be able to "prompt itself", or whatever the closest analogue of self-determination is.

RealFrizzante t1_je195fe wrote on March 28, 2023 at 6:05 PM

All those are through a console. It parses text, and outputs text.

AGI will be able to intervene in the world via all means a human can.

Tldr: Your experience and history as a human, irl is more than just what you have read and written throughout your life. And AI atm only does text, or images, sometimes both. But there are lots of things missing.

dokushin t1_je30otj wrote on March 29, 2023 at 1:10 AM

Eh, from the LLM's perspective, all I am is words on a console, no? I don't think they have too much in the way of rich experience, yet, but it's possble for them to experience the world in some way we don't understand.

Regardless, I don't think that's necessary for general intelligence; what about people born blind? Deaf? Does that diminish their capacity as a sentient being? I agree that some level of connection with the environment is necessary, but I don't think it has to look exactly like the human experience.