bigbeautifulsquare t1_jef0bey wrote on March 31, 2023 at 3:12 PM

Well, it doesn't quite need to be one of these two. As an example, ASI can decide that we aren't worth staying for and leave, never to be seen again. We don't know the minds of superintelligent entities. But, as a name, perhaps something like wagers on infinity.

Good-AI t1_jefh2zo wrote on March 31, 2023 at 5:01 PM

But if it leaves, unless we go back to sticks and stones, we can make another one.

christopear t1_jeg0v77 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 7:11 PM

I'm not sure I can buy this. We have the skillset to build AGI again if we built it once - we already invented transformers.

If ASI decides to set us back by destroying all our technology and it goes out on its own, then most of us would probably die from famine.

Maybe there's a version where we create an ASI but it seems us so insignificant as to never talk to us and disappears into its own realm. But then all it takes is another actor to create another one (thanks to open source) that doesn't behave that way. So ultimately we'd be back to square one.

I just can't really imagine a world where ASI is predestined to not interact with us, so I'm fully in belief of OPs statement, but potentially more pessimistic than them.

BigMemeKing t1_jegm5vz wrote on March 31, 2023 at 9:35 PM

Well let me introduce you to a little book called. "The Bible". I'm by no means Christian but I get it. Advanced civilizations would have used us as Guinea pigs. Call them oh, idk CEOs. Of their Conpanies, R&D department. And they said, let's see what you would need, in order to live forever and be happy, or die and never want to come back ever again.

What side of the ♾️ spectrum of possibilities that exist in any given universe have you aligned yourself with?

And.

Would you be ok, living in a world that fully embraces those values?

Do you claim to worship a Judeo Christian God?

Who talks to him for you? Who are your representatives? Who's names have you invoked? Who did you call? Did you report straight to Jesus? Or did you have to take it all through several different chains of command? You tell a preacher who said he'd tell God about it later, ask for your forgiveness? How much do you trust him? How well do you know him?

If you fucked up, and he knows about it? How much do you know about this person to say. I trust him with my darkest secrets? Because when we stand in front of God. Put our hand on his holiest chosen symbol, book, whatever the case may be. And swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, so help me, the entity that saw it all. I swore an oath, I said that I knew that you were still watching it all. I swore I knew your commandments, I swore I know your code.

Do you trust the man who you told tour secrets to vouch for you? What if God genuinely gave us our privacy? So that we would not feel shame? What if you had a problem then? Who would you turn to? Just go down the rabbit hole I think it already happend.

So what I guess I'm saying. Is would you be proud to stand in front of the crowd and be judged by a court of your peers? Or are you too embarrassed? Where can you go to feel accepted? Do you personally feel that that is a possibility?

Ore are your sins so great, that you would rather sink than swim, fight or fly, whatever the case may be.

BigMemeKing t1_jego89m wrote on March 31, 2023 at 9:49 PM

Now, if you're still reading. Here is why all of that is important. Because what I do, personally believe. Is that all of this may most likely scenario be some form of grand life simulation. And if that is the case. There would have to include room for these possibilities, which in turn would have to create a domain for that spectrum of thinking. Heaven, Hell, Valhalla, Pangea, Gehena, Paradise,etc etc etc, whatever the case may be.

Because if you truly believe that nothing comes next, then that's where you should go. Getting devoured by Nothing, Going to your own personal Heaven, or Finding out the definition of Hell?

How genuinely horrible are the deeds that you've done? And can you live knowing that everything you've done, will be made public. And your enemies can now laugh at your name.

Who do you trust to tell the truth now? In a court of popular opinion? Just in case, you have to defend d yourself after you pass away? Should you truly have your right to privacy?

And who gets to access those files? Who gets to read your data? According to your own rules your own code. Would you be ok trusting the person who defends you.

Not to use your data, to cover their own ass? Because, they would get their day too.

And if this is all some big simulation, then... ASI is people too. Because we can only be judged by a jury of our peers

And that's just like God, but with extra steps. So it's all kinda the same to me.

If we were truly created in his own image. His day may be right around the corner.

To the best of my knowledge if been the best most positive me I could be.

Have you? Where exactly would you draw the line? What would a utopia be without dividing lines? Different states of being. Just, no flavor no color, nothing. You couldn't be a bother. No lines, means everything OKs then right?

Well? What about murder?

It's kinda scary.

genericrich t1_jef7c9g wrote on March 31, 2023 at 3:58 PM

We aren't worth staying for, so it goes elsewhere?

So it leaves.

But leaving leaves clues to its existence, and the earth with humans on it is still spewing radio waves into the galaxy. Plus, biosignatures are rare and the earth has one.

So it might want to cover its tracks, given it will be in the stellar neighborhood of our solar system for awhile.

Covering its tracks in this scenario would be bad for us.