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beachmike t1_irdntjn wrote

Reply to comment by WashiBurr in “Extrapolation of this model into the future leads to short AI timelines: ~75% chance of AGI by 2032” by Dr_Singularity

I don't think the result will be a binary either/or. The agricultural and industrial revolutions each brought great advantages to humans as well as many new problems. The same will be true for AGI and ASI. I am certain, however, that "utopia" will remain a pipe dream, even after a technological singularity.

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NeutrinosFTW t1_irdpatt wrote

Both the agricultural and the industrial revolutions only increased the amount of energy that humanity can use to do work, they didn't introduce new players to the game. The advent of ASI means the creation of an entity with greater capabilities than humanity and (possibly) divergent goals, which is something that's never happened before. Most experts believe the singularity will lead to one of the two extremes for us (total annihilation or AI-powered utopia).

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beachmike t1_irehbdg wrote

So-called "experts" are often wrong. In fact, there are NO experts on the technological singularity. If we knew what was actually coming, it wouldn't be a singularity event. A singularity, by definition, is unknowable by anything outside of it. However, you miss my point. Every revolution in human affairs brings advantages for humans as well as disadvantages and many new problems. Therefore, the mythical utopia WILL NOT occur. I highly doubt that ONLY one of two extremes will occur as a result of a technological singularity. That's far too simplistic.

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Mr_Hu-Man t1_irhzyeg wrote

I agree with you, but then disagree with you. You first make the point that the definition of the singularity is that what happens on other side is unknowable, then in the next sentence you make hard predictions. I get what you’re saying, but I’d change your language to say that ‘the mythical utopia MAY NOT occur….or MAYBE it will 🤷🏻‍♂️ we literally can’t know’

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beachmike t1_irm3exb wrote

I believe the mythical utopia is forever unobtainable for legacy humans even after the technological singularity, due to our very make-up. However, for those of us who choose to move into the infinite realm beyond human (which the singularity will make possible), all bets are off.

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Mr_Hu-Man t1_irm4j2e wrote

Love that response. And I think I agree. Thanks!

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sumane12 t1_irdoxqe wrote

This is true. The world will get better as it always has, but true utopia is not in our nature. We always reach beyond our capabilities which means we will always want something we can't have, ergo we will never have utopia no matter how good life is. Also considering everyone's definition of utopia is different, everyone would have to agree that we have achieved utopia. Not to mention I'm sure heroin addicts believe they have utopia when they are high, but I'm pretty sure most of us would consider being in that state permanently to be a waste of life.

My personal hope, is for a star trek like existence with no war and no crime, and for ageing to be solved. It's a big ask but that's my definition of utopia which I think is achievable, but we would still have problems we would need to solve

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