BooksLoveTalksnIdeas t1_it87jaw wrote on October 21, 2022 at 5:16 PM

Reply to comment by Lawjarp2 in Thoughts on Full Dive - Are we in one right now? by fignewtgingrich

Intelligent living beings like watching other living beings in their natural environments living out their lives. We like zoos, aquariums, documentaries about animals in the jungle and in the ocean, etc. Does any of that help our own evolution and progress? Not really, but we still find it entertaining, and even interesting. If a “post-biological super-advanced civilization” wanted something similar (just for entertainment) it wouldn’t be watching dogs and cats, or tigers and lions in a forest, it would watch more primitive intelligent civilizations that are still stuck in planets. This is good science-fiction material not because it doesn’t make sense (it makes perfect sense in fact) but because we, as the “observed animals” can’t prove that this is the case, unless the observers choose to make it known to us. However, what do we gain from telling the fish and the lion that we are watching them for scientific studies and for entertainment? Nothing. It might even complicate things for the observation. With a smart species, it would even end the observation because they wouldn’t behave the same way after knowing everything. Food for thought and for good sci-fi 😉👌

Lawjarp2 t1_it8ccx1 wrote on October 21, 2022 at 5:48 PM

We are very much close to apes in social behaviour. Non biological beings won't be or rather won't need to be. If you truly paid attention to why we watch animals, you would know that

(A) There are immense parallels to us and animals. More than there ever would be between humans and post-biological society.

(B) Study of animals and plants actually helps us directly and not just satisfy our curiosity. We find cures, genetic marvels, diseases etc from animals, what do non biological entities have in common with humans. Intellect?

The difference between an ape and a human is negligible, in terms of intellect and then some, compared to a super intelligence. They would rather study something closer to them

Kawawaymog t1_it8helb wrote on October 21, 2022 at 6:21 PM

The difference in intelligence between a human and a chimpanzee is not negligible. the human brain is absurdly large, three times the size of a chimpanzee brian. The human brian is insanely complex compared to anything else in nature. It is an evolutionary marvel.

Lawjarp2 t1_it8jhrh wrote on October 21, 2022 at 6:35 PM

Difference relative to a super intelligence. It's like comparing a 20 IQ ape (some are smarter) with a 100 IQ human and thinking we big smart.

To a 1,000,000 IQ super intelligence, Ape and human are more similar than not.

NOTE: IQ points are there to make a point, not real.

Kawawaymog t1_it8mhtg wrote on October 21, 2022 at 6:55 PM

Well that’s fair enough. But to the point of the first comment in this chain. It’s my opinion that a super intelligent AI would take immense interest in humankind. In a similar way to the way we take immense interest in the first single cellular organisms. They are manny orders of magnitude simpler than us. And had no intelligence at all. But they have immense importance to us. I think human kind will be similarly though of by a super AI. And just as we run simulations of microbes, an AI might run simulations of us.