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freeman_joe t1_itclocb wrote

Reply to comment by 3Quondam6extanT9 in Could AGI stop climate change? by Weeb_Geek_7779

AGI doesn’t need human willingness. Once it learns it can circumvent humans it will do what it wants. So if it will desire to solve climate change it will do it no matter what humans want or don’t want.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itcrwn5 wrote

You're making the assumption that AGI will have automated control over everything, and that in itself is implausible.

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freeman_joe t1_itd62fi wrote

No. I assume it will learn to have it. How can humans control someone that can learn everything that humans can? AGI can learn all mathematics, physics, chemistry human psychology etc. we don’t stand chance. We are like toddler against grand master of martial arts.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itd9deu wrote

The problem that people seem to misunderstand, is that it doesn't matter how intelligent it becomes.

Firstly, there will be more than one. We have AI development occuring all over the world through academic research, companies development, nations governments, and independent developers.

Second, they won't have access to every network globally nor direct access to each other. Movies and sci-fi tropes don't tend to look deeper into how things are actually connected, opting instead for the suspension of belief by simply implying that somehow a single AI can control everything from a single network. We haven't built the world's connections into a singular easily accessible form for use.

When some chicken little comes across decrying that AI will control everything, you ask them what they mean by everything. Their theory then falls apart because they can't figure out how to explain how industries, departments, infrastructure, finance, military, medical, and so on are strung together in a way that would allow for anyone to network globally.

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freeman_joe t1_itdq1fe wrote

I can explain how AI will control everything. First of all it will know all of human psychology and human psychological weaknesses so it can use best marketing and propaganda tactics in every country it will also understand all languages and nuances and will use audio/video films songs pictures to make humans agree with it. Secondly it can use all global market to acquire enormous wealth thru online trading and buy anything it needs. Also every system that is connected on internet will be exploited by AI because it will understand all programming languages and will find exploits that even humans programmers couldn’t think of. It can use aquired data against any human etc etc. just use a bit of imagination.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_iteubss wrote

You offered a very broad reductionist answer. These elements don't in fact provide the nuanced access it would need. You just glossed over all the actual architecture of human networking, international internal versus external systems, and corporate network variance, not to mention archive's of systems and data that don't actually utilize the internet.

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freeman_joe t1_itdqgr4 wrote

Btw I am pro AI it is inevitable but I just hope it will be intelligent and it will be friendly to humanity. If not well we won’t stand chance against it.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itf0t67 wrote

I am also pro AI, as I think many are who believe the same as you. I just think there is a lot of paranoia or assumption of what AI will have access to thanks to sci-fi tropes.

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freeman_joe t1_itdpesp wrote

All other AIs will be integrated by the strongest. It is zero sum game.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itetr9e wrote

What a simple answer.

Now, in this reductionist projection of the future, how would you think the strongest AI is defined, and how would it integrate any other existing AI, including the ones it won't be able to access?

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Surur t1_itebcn4 wrote

> When some chicken little comes across decrying that AI will control everything, you ask them what they mean by everything. Their theory then falls apart because they can't figure out how to explain how industries, departments, infrastructure, finance, military, medical, and so on are strung together in a way that would allow for anyone to network globally.

I bet people tell you all the time, and you just don't believe them lol.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itgdvwy wrote

So you automatically believe what people tell you when they have no evidence, logic, or understanding to back it up? Interesting.

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Surur t1_itgea67 wrote

There are no-one as deaf as those who will not hear - Buddha.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itgek3y wrote

Very nice quote that serves as a wonderful distraction from the point at hand. You may as well have not responded if you weren't going to answer the question. Do you believe everything you hear? I for one follow reason and logic, so it requires evidence.

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Surur t1_itgj26m wrote

Like I said, I am sure many people have tried, in detail, to explain to you the risks due to ASI, but I am sure you did not want to hear.

I am happy to attempt once again, but I am sure it will be a complete waste of both of our time.

I am actually sure you will agree that this is true.

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3Quondam6extanT9 t1_itgkmfu wrote

It depends. Do you have an understanding of human infrastructure and network communications as well as the current iteration of AI and it's projected growth to be capable of, in detail, explaining how AI would dominate "everything"?

Just to put your presumptive mind at ease, I had bought into the AI taking over everything trope since the 80's and only in the last decade as I come to understand how complex and nuanced human systems actually function based on their detached and varied networks, have I started to understand just how difficult it would be for AI to accomplish such a feat.

Maybe you should recognize that instead of assuming that I believe everyone who fear mongers because nothing they've told me is anything new, you yourself question things a little deeper?

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