dreamking__ t1_ith3ijg wrote on October 23, 2022 at 4:37 PM

Reply to comment by Effective-Dig8734 in What will singularity lead to? by sonderlingg

Didn't the industrial revolution turn farmers into proletariat? Technological progress will never make the working class's life better if it is not accompanied by social progress.

ParryLost t1_itjef6p wrote on October 24, 2022 at 2:02 AM

And agriculture turned happy bands of free, egalitarian hunter-gatherers into generations of miserable dirt-farming peasants toiling away for the glory of various dictatorial leaders.

Effective-Dig8734 t1_ith426i wrote on October 23, 2022 at 4:40 PM

Can you tell me what you mean by social progress ? Also you can say there was a negative from an industrial revolution, but I’m saying overall they were highly favorable. For example things like better and more accessible transportation technology have been a huge help in combating poverty, which mind you has been decreasing at an incredible rate due to things like the internet

dreamking__ t1_ithc5up wrote on October 23, 2022 at 5:34 PM

>Can you tell me what you mean by social progress ?

Improving the living conditions of the working class.

>For example things like better and more accessible transportation technology have been a huge help in combating poverty, which mind you has been decreasing at an incredible rate due to things like the internet

As I said, they have been a huge help when employed for it. Tech advancement by its own it's neither good nor bad, it's just a tool. Look at what social media has done to us in the name of profit.

Effective-Dig8734 t1_ithmm9s wrote on October 23, 2022 at 6:41 PM

Well that’s pretty tautological, you’re saying that social progress is needed to improve worker class living conditions, and then you are defining social progress as anything that improves working class living conditions. What I’m saying is that technological advancement rapid or not enhances/enables or quickens social progress

dreamking__ t1_ithwclr wrote on October 23, 2022 at 7:41 PM

>and then you are defining social progress as anything that improves working class living conditions.

Right, what I mean is public housing, food security, zeroing unemployment, decent working legislation (securing existing rights and improving upon them).

I'm not sure how things are where you are but my country is struggling with high unemployment due to failed neoliberal policies and a lot of folks are now stuck in the gig economy enabled by delivery and ride apps. Their living conditions are inhumane and way worse than what delivery folk and cabbies used to have prior to the apps.

Pepperstache t1_itj6nkl wrote on October 24, 2022 at 1:01 AM

Just as how humans completely ignore Thorium as a fuel source despite being cleaner, because it doesn't produce Plutonium as a byproduct. Government and corporate-owned ASI will almost certainly form cartels, and just like the Phoebus cartel, keep the most efficient and useful things from becoming actual solutions. They already openly told us that we'll own nothing in the future and be happy.