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Glitched-Lies t1_ivdenel wrote

Reply to comment by Ratheka_Stormbjorne in Nick Bostrom on the ethics of Digital Minds: "With recent advances in AI... it is remarkable how neglected this issue still is" by Smoke-away

Because a simulation cannot be conscious, otherwise it becomes semantics.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivdgp2y wrote

So, there is no compelling reason that consciousness cannot exist within a digital system?

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[deleted] t1_ivdql2g wrote

How can you objectively prove that you are consciousness? Spoilers you cant.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivgv15d wrote

I can't, yet. I do not think that you have sufficient evidence to claim that it cannot be done, merely that we do not yet know a way to do so.

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[deleted] t1_ivh1tcu wrote

Do you believe that everything will eventually be explained ?

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivh6xuq wrote

Will? The prior on that is not sufficient to rise to the level that I would call belief.

Can? Yes.

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivdyvz2 wrote

That doesn't matter. Because for fact humans are, so it doesn't need "proving". Because that's just simply a fact.

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivdi4ub wrote

It would be "settling" ethics at an incomplete place. As by the very nature of what it would mean by a computer simulating a consciousness and relative wording about computations or the math. But by very nature the differences are that itself. An identical system wouldn't be a computer. It should be obvious from cause and effect it scientifically begins from this fundamental difference.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivgux9p wrote

I did not say "simulating". I said consciousness and exist.

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivgvna4 wrote

Digital systems can only simulate.

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivh6vbf wrote

That is a claim. What is the evidence for that claim?

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Glitched-Lies t1_ivhae93 wrote

That's what simulation means

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Ratheka_Stormbjorne t1_ivhbln5 wrote

You are the one who keeps insisting that everything on a digital system is a simulation.

I keep asking how do you know everything on a digital system is a simulation?

Can you please answer my question, instead of reiterating your claim?

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