Submitted by cummypussycat t3_zy918g in singularity
gantork t1_j24hjy3 wrote
Rich people/corporations/whatever not spending their money now to end poverty "makes sense" because money and resources are still limited so they are hoarding something of value.
Once everything is automated this might become truly meaningless and economically there would no difference between keeping everyone poor and angry or in great living conditions.
cummypussycat OP t1_j24iuct wrote
Once everything became automated, a few megacorps will get very very rich. I think they will very quickly spend those money to buy all the resources they can. Islands, cities, militaries.. before money become obsolete. (I read somewhere bill gates owns a large percentage of farmlands?) Then they and theirs will live happily ever after, forcing others to live in poverty, for their satisfaction.
Maybe governments will bring regulations and massive taxes before things get to that level
4e_65_6f t1_j24n7n7 wrote
>forcing others to live in poverty, for their satisfaction.
Think of it like this, would you rather have everything and be liked by everyone. Or have everything and be hated by everyone?
Humans are a social species, there's no profit from elon shitposting on twitter (in fact it costs him money) yet he still does it every day.
aeblemost t1_j24qm1b wrote
But he could have finansed something filantropic instead of buying Twitter. He can still do that right now. Why would rich people not just continue hoarding wealth? Elon Musk is choosing to be ridiculed instead of being seen as a 'saviour'. I think you are putting a lot of faith on human rationality.
4e_65_6f t1_j24rgi8 wrote
>Why would rich people not just continue hoarding wealth?
Because without labor there's no costumers, without costumers the meaning of wealth itself changes. You're not gonna be able to sell the stuff afterwards and even if you did there's no point in it because your factory is the one making everything.
The only reason I could think of for a person in that situation to continue uselessly hoarding is if they're stupid. If that's the case then we're truly fucked.
Shinyblade12 t1_j24s7gc wrote
i have bad news for you
4e_65_6f t1_j24t6p6 wrote
In the worst case scenario where a single moron has access to ASI on his own, I think that any ASI worth a fuck would tell them there's no point in hoarding resources further.
timespender t1_j24rn5h wrote
What powers would these governments have in that scenario, after all assets have been turned private?
MasterFubar t1_j24xyq2 wrote
> forcing others to live in poverty, for their satisfaction.
Seriously, you should seek a mental health expert ASAP. The fact that you started this whole discussion shows that you're suffering from depression, but this comment here is much worse, you're paranoid.
Go seek a psychiatrist before you break over and do something that could harm yourself and others.
Clean_Livlng t1_j26nx5g wrote
>The fact that you started this whole discussion shows that you're suffering from depression
You're probably joking, but it's a joke in bad taste.
Using an accusation of mental illness in a 'point scoring' way to argue against what someone's said isn't the best thing to do.
Accusing someone of being mentally ill isn't a good habit to have when debating someone.
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Edit: I agree with you about them being incorrect in a big way, and out of touch with the way things work. As we all are (or most people), when it comes to different subjects.
MasterFubar t1_j28bze4 wrote
It's not a joke, I've met people who were diagnosed with clinical depression and their thoughts are exactly like what OP is posting.
"A Future Without Jobs"... Lets see how reality works. Two hundred years ago, 95% of the people worked on farms. Today only 5% of the people in industrialized countries are farm workers. 90% of the jobs we had back then disappeared, are we living in a future without jobs?
And their attitude towards rich people. "People who are rich are people who enjoy seeing the suffering of the poor". Really, how paranoid can you be. Rich people are people like anyone else, they are rich because they are interested in markets and investments and businesses. I'm not rich because I'm not interested in those subjects, they bore me. If you like a subject and study it a lot you'll become good at it, that's how you become rich.
This sub is a magnet for the depressed and the paranoid, they post their crap here and they think they are right because other depressed and paranoid people come here to agree with all this bullshit.
Clean_Livlng t1_j28ftst wrote
"a future without jobs" is usually based on the idea that AI will be able to do anything humans could do for work, or enable one person to do the work of so many others that there's a major job shortage.
It's one way things could go, I guess. But it's also possible that we'll just have new work to replace the old. I don't know nearly enough about it to know which is more likely, as it depends a lot of how quickly we're able to improve AI.
If we have a fuel shortage due to peak oil in the future, manual labour for agriculture could be an important job. But that's not a certainty, and lack of fuel for farm machinery might not happen due to various reasons.
Some might call me naive for this, but I think a lot of rich people aren't that bad. They don't want society to collapse into chaos with most people starving, that'd be hell for them. Those are their customers, and the thought of their customers not having money to buy their products might be an unsettling thought for rich people.
The breakdown of order is rarely a good thing for the rich if it happens in their own backyard. At best, it'd make them prisoners of their own estate. Unable to go out in public because it was so lawless that they'd be at risk. That's what would likely happen if the majority of people couldn't get jobs, and also weren't given the money/resources needed to survive. Nobody important wants that.
Rich people like playing the game of wealth. The masses being out of work and starving is a threat to their lives and property. They could spend a fraction of their income on keeping the people fed, stop society collapsing, and bask in the praise of the people.
This is a far out hypothetical, but if jobs ceased to exist and the government wasn't giving people a UBI or food to live, corporations might step up and create the new job of 'consumer'. Everyone gets a corporation funded UBI, with or without strings attached. People have money to buy products, the system keeps working.
Or maybe something else happens. What do you think is most likely in terms of the job situation in the future? What kinds or categories of jobs could there be that most haven't thought of?
Just as a farmer hundreds of years ago couldn't have imagined someone would make a living doing commentary for Esports games, perhaps we can't imagine what jobs there might be in the future.
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Whatever happens, we will have plenty to eat, and my gut feeling is that things are going to be awesome.
cummypussycat OP t1_j27shkq wrote
How out of touch with reality are you? When bad things happen, first to break down would be naive, privileged assholes like you.
And no, I'm not depressed. And I don't think you are suitable to diagnose me or anyone else. In fact, your comment reveals you own deep rooted mental problems
Again, my doubts are not ai, it's human asswipes in power that use those ai. Asswipes like you
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