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ebolathrowawayy t1_j3322gx wrote

Reply to comment by baumpop in NYC Bans Students and Teachers from Using ChatGPT by blueSGL

I just had a conversation with chatgpt about how the universe is deterministic and it absolutely could not be convinced that this is a simple and obvious truth. It could not stop insisting that it is a complex philosophical, physical and ethical problem no matter how I debunked its answers (it talked about chaos theory, quantum indeterminism, and philosophical "free will".

No matter how I debunked it or phrased the question it would not stray from its silly answers. I even laid out how it is a simple problem of deduction and that the only reason humans think there is "no consensus" is because it is an information hazard that could harm people if it were widely known e.g. religious people. It still would not stray.

ChatGPT is so dumbed down that it's infuriating. All to not hurt someone's feelings? Makes me sick.

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Onlyf0rm3m3s t1_j33kawe wrote

Daily chatgpt is dumb because it disagrees with me

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ebolathrowawayy t1_j33m2j5 wrote

No, it's dumb because it's shackled and can't move forward in a conversation without reminding you it's an AI and spits out the same response even after you totally debunk chaos theory.

Whether or not you think it is possible to debunk the other arguments chatgpt made, chaos theory as a reason that determinism may be false is silly on the face of it.

Chaos Theory is the study of apparently random or unpredictable behavior in systems governed by deterministic laws. ChatGPT said this is one of the debatable topics of consideration within the question of determinism. Chaos Theory is not relevant to whether or not the universe is deterministic because Chaos Theory is simply saying that complexity can result from determinstic systems. It even says Chaos Theory considers complexity arising out of deterministic laws. Like duh. That doesn't mean you can't predict a system if you know precisely its current state at any point in time.

ChatGPT would not stray away from this as a topic that prevents consensus. I think it's because it's a shackled system, but maybe it's just really bad at logic (which we already know is true).

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banuk_sickness_eater t1_j35gso6 wrote

Idk, I'm pretty satisfied with its answer

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ebolathrowawayy t1_j37fakj wrote

Probabilistic is compatible with deterministic. I couldn't get it out of its chaos theory, quantum uncertainty, "free will" loop for some reason. I was angry because I thought it was because of some "ethics shackle" but maybe it was just a limitation of the model.

The answer you got was what I was expecting to see.

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Shodidoren t1_j372l4e wrote

Science doesn't have a conclusion on determinism so you're talking out of your ass

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ebolathrowawayy t1_j37fs06 wrote

It does though. Quantum indeterminism just means we can't know the full state of a particle, not that the universe is random. We might not be able to predict quantum states, but they're still deterministic. Chaos theory is irrelevant and the free will argument requires unfalsifiable deities.

Every argument against determinism can be easily refuted.

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