LambdaAU t1_j5258u2 wrote
As to your challenge I have a very easy answer. Some things simply aren’t possible in the real world due to physical limitations. Do you want to fly around or use magic, well too bad because even if we made the world as perfect as possible we would still be limited by physical constraints. I can come up with a million other reasons why there are advantages to VR over the real world but I think this point is pretty hard to dispute.
OldWorldRevival t1_j527xw9 wrote
Well... think of it more like this. VR and the real world both offer you an infinite number if possible things to do post AI.
The fact that you yearn for VR points towards what you want.
Rather than defining what you want as a set of things, look at the meta picture and take the time learn what satisfies you fully.
I.e. fantasy realms are a common aim for people goinf after VR. So why don't we build Minas Tirith here, and have parties with roasted meat, bonfires, beer, music in a place like that in a post AI world!
I guess that is more where I am going. Like, we can make this world so good that from an enjoyment perspective, there's a contentedness to be had here that renders VR unnecessary if you have the mind to envision the possibilities.
I.e. if you want it in VR, ask what it is that you get out of that that you cannot ha e here, or isn't superceded or met by something here.
No need to mind upload either... you'll surely be able to go in and out of VR to experience certain impossible things.
LambdaAU t1_j5290fi wrote
The truth is the real world has scarcity. Not everyone can have their own castle because there is only so much room. You probably live in a developed nation with high living standards but replicating this for everyone has a massive toll on the environment. VR allows us to get past the scarcity of resources in the real world (ie the economic problem).
OldWorldRevival t1_j52c76p wrote
Not necessarily in a post AI world, though.
I.e. unlimited cheap, clean energy to grow crops underground in caverns built by robots that work for free. Or in space, and have fusion powered spacecraft.
In such a future, the least developed countries would have a standard of living beyond that of the wealthiest countries.
That level of abundance is also part of the singularity. Also, lots of planets to populate and terraform.
paulwhitedotnyc t1_j547s7b wrote
There are one quadrillion tons of diamonds on our planet. Unimaginable abundance, yet they cost on average $5000 a gram. What your describing will never exist because many people’s idea of paradise is very, very different from yours.
Thiccboifentalin t1_j54c0qw wrote
VR allows everyone to have their own perceived paradise. It's all about the journey rather than the destination.
paulwhitedotnyc t1_j54cdp5 wrote
Yeah that’s my point, and why OPs suggestion of creating the actual world we want rather than a virtual one, is an impossibility.
Thiccboifentalin t1_j54d2sr wrote
I think Neo from Matrix was in another simulation like that. He is a hero in a world of suffering, the rebel everyone needs, the “One”. Does that not sound like a VR simulation? As long as he felt good and had this perceived sense of danger and payoff, it does not matter if it’s real or not. And what about Cypher? This “guy” (again part of the simulation) was dragged by Morpheus in to the "real" world to live in crap while getting his girlfriend stolen. So it would be natural for him to go back to Matrix. It’s actually kind of cruel that people don’t want others to escape in to VR, means that their misery will have less company. Are alcohol and drugs not a form of escapism, just because they are wildly used? Vagaries of perception, Mr Anderson.
tms102 t1_j54xipg wrote
AI isn't magic and is still bound by physical limitations. Construction and travel, etc, will still take resources. And the most important resource is time.
I'm not a fan of VR but it's obvious you can do things in a virtual world that will never be possible in the real world.
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