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gibecrake t1_j47pn89 wrote

While I agree there is a balance to be had, the safeguards are inherently our morals as rules. Then its splitting hairs on which morals are to be used. Welcome to the new digital religions being born in real time.

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Scarlet_pot2 t1_j47rs6r wrote

It's less digital religion and more of just a new way to further push the views of those in power onto the masses.

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Gimbloy t1_j47usci wrote

Religion & Philosophy are going to be so important in the 21st century.

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Fortkes t1_j492jai wrote

It was always important.

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te_alset t1_j49iqt9 wrote

Philosophy has always been important. Religion is about control. Don’t believe me? How about our mythical sky wizards battle it out and cause a thunderstorm

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Fortkes t1_j49tkhr wrote

I think religion was invented so we don't go crazy with existential dread. But sure, later it definitely got 'militarized' which is just another form of false security.

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[deleted] t1_j49x53f wrote

Eh. Glossing over a lot with this:

So many people talking about here about religion who've never had a significant positive spiritual experience in their lives.

When you experience it, you know it, and you understand it as different. It's like your perspective shifts, and then you understand that religion isn't even about death or existentialism. The silly dogmatic conservative nonsense basically evaporates, and people who use religion to enforce their will end up seeming like silly empty-minded fools.

I am technically agnostic and know it can technically be my brain. I can never disregard that logical possibility because I am ultimately logical. I do not believe that you can arrive at this place through logic alone - it is only through experience that it can be understood.

There is a reason that both Ludwig Wittgenstein and John von Neumann - two exceptionally intelligent but also exceptionally rational, concise, skeptical cogent minds died believing in God. But it's not the raging thunderbolt throwing old testament God, exactly. It's more like "that which originates all reality, which is also everything contained within reality, and is therefore also being."

Just to toss something in.

I'm really curious to see how this goes with AI. Part of me is worried that overly rational people will just assume that morality can be programmed into an AI without this sort of spirituality (and I do think this is a naïve pursuit - without spirituality, the root of everything is just nihilism, truly, and I say that as a literal former nihilist - the highest form of actualization in the framework of nihilism is power).

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NorthVilla t1_j49ozfi wrote

Religion has never been less important globally than it is today. Even Islam feels tame these days.

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AdminsBurnInAFire t1_j4afe0e wrote

Imagine living in the 22nd century stuck under an eternal serfdom by a program permanently stuck with the cultural and moral norms of the 2020/30s. Bleating on about how inappropriate cultural appropriation is when you buy a hoverboard from China.

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gibecrake t1_j4b9gh6 wrote

I’d be more concerned about an ai that wants to twist logic around enforcing traditional gender roles, or parroting some type of Christo-fascist dogma.

I’m wholly uninterested in an AI that has any “moral grounding” in Islam or Christianity, anything more than the golden rule and some modernized Asimov’s rules is sketchy.

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