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Ginkotree48 t1_j3lixbg wrote

Serious question for you anti aging people.. dont you think you would get bored? Like very very quickly ya know relative to living FOREVER?

Especially if you can literally photorealistically and haptic cerebrally experience anything you wanted?

You have 1000s of movies to watch on netflix and it takes away from how entertaining the bottom 95% of them are because you know there has to be a better one you havent picked. At least me personally, id switch hobbies and realities and all of that anything you could think of so quickly Id be willing to bet I would be ready to die in a human lifetime or less.

For me at least the entertainment ability will go up with ai but our brains gyroscopic like adaptation to conditions will ruin it. Every single experience is like a drug and the more you do the less its fun. The first time you do something the better it is.

If you say well you would just figure out how to forget to keep doing "new things" then whats the difference between that and dying? You arent actually building up an imortal collection of experiences then.

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Desperate_Food7354 OP t1_j3lja2v wrote

Infinity is a very large amount of possibility, experiencing infinity in 80 years is of course impossible. I wouldn’t know what to do unless I had it, but I know one thing, our lives are very short. Can you remember where you were 1 year ago? That was more than a percent of your entire existence, like that. I like how you say one life time, why not 10 years? Why not 5? What is so special about the average human life span as a number.

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3ljo0b wrote

I know ai will not slow down and I think if someone has doubts or is skeptical about ai they simply dont get it. But I think your eyes are bigger than your stomach. Have you had life experiences yet where you suddenly get a large amount of things you thought you always wanted? Its always the same thing. The same "oh this is it". Each new experience has slightly varying rates of how long the honey moon phase lasts. But I couldnt see myself doing anything forever.

Also infinite is not possible as we live in a finite universe. With how fast ai can augment itself id say its absolutely possible we hit that finite entertainment limit most would see as "infinite" before you or I die of old age.

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Desperate_Food7354 OP t1_j3ljvow wrote

I look at the journey not the destination, infinite was a figure of speech.

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3ljz9w wrote

I get that. Thanks for the discussion. Personally I think I would not enjoy running out of things that keep me happy until I inevitability have to decide to kill myself in a semi depressed/apathetic state of existing.

Id rather not have a choice.

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Desperate_Food7354 OP t1_j3lkoax wrote

To be fair you still have no choice in getting hit by a car/plane/meteor or just die from a random stroke, it just means you’ll retain the same quality of life at every age until death.

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3lkpd1 wrote

Yeah and like I said I prefer that. Despite me worrying about some of those things regularly lmao

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Desperate_Food7354 OP t1_j3lkv0n wrote

Yeah I rather remember my friends and family and know how to use a toilet and feel like a functional member of society at every age, even if we still only lived to ~80, but I have no issues with living 100,000 years if I get to contribute more as a result of my long life.

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PhysicalChange100 t1_j3lokaf wrote

The argument from boredom is so weak and tired, Everyone who seriously consider that the universe with infinite possibilities and come with the conclusion that its boring, must come from a person with an extremely dry perspective in life with low imaginative capabilities and incredible knowledge deficiency.

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3lp770 wrote

The universe isnt infinite. Thats a fact so already you are just angrily venting infactually.

Also you must assume there are a lot of really cool things you arent doing or cant do whether its because of your financial situation or physical limitations. Whatever it is the grass is always greener. You can always try a strong hit of dopamine and your brain/mind will always get used to it. You are on a dopamine treadmill.

Same rule as money doesnt buy happiness.

Also wouldnt you just want the ai to give you some sort of infinite orgasm ecstasy rush you constantly exist in and never feel anything else? Why dont you guys seek that out considering its just as temporary in terms of entertaining yourselves infinitely.

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PhysicalChange100 t1_j3lt1mc wrote

>Also wouldnt you just want the ai to give you some sort of infinite orgasm ecstasy rush you constantly exist in and never feel anything else?

Nah, I would rather be a scientist than a meth head.

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3ltafm wrote

What would you discover when Ai has discovered everything? Or even sooner, what would you be working on when the cutting edge of science is at a point beyond human comprehension?

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PhysicalChange100 t1_j3lu1x9 wrote

>What would you discover when Ai has discovered everything?

That's assuming that the universe or the multiverse is finite and cannot grow into infinite complexity.

>what would you be working on when the cutting edge of science is at a point beyond human comprehension?

Another assumption is that humans will never augment themselves or upload their mind to the cloud.

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3lphn7 wrote

Actually one more bit because you called me stupid. The fact that you cant comprehend living forever in a finite universe means you would hit that wall of having done everything you'd ever want to do (or anything possible at all) means you are intellectually deficient. That one is common sense.

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Tidezen t1_j3me52k wrote

I get bored in everyday life, but it's mostly due to not having the time and resources required to do something more "fun", so I often default to my cheaper or more accessible hobbies. Working hard in this life seems like such a waste because we have such limited time to actually make use of the rewards.

But if I had an indefinite amount of time, then that work investment makes a lot more sense. And I could go at my own pace...I think that's the worst part of the rat race, that everything's so time-pressured. Living centuries, I could slowly and more safely invest. And with the advent of AI, much of modern work can be automated, so I doubt people are going to be as work-happy as our forebears.

As for memory--you don't remember 80% of your life right now. Think about it--you don't remember what you had for lunch two weeks ago. Does that mean life's not worth living?

>Every single experience is like a drug and the more you do the less its fun. The first time you do something the better it is.

That's true for some things but not others. Gaining mastery over a discipline takes time. Things like playing an instrument get way more fun once you get good at it. And for physical activities...those only get worse with age because of the aging.

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The_Real_RM t1_j3lwpa6 wrote

No, you're thinking in terms of experience, but even there you're not seeing the vastness of experience space. People now play tens of thousands of chess games in their careers and can't wait to play the next, it's a relatively simple, uneventful game....

Immortal life means freedom, I can be a ski bum for twenty years and not have wasted my life, then I can go to school and become a neurosurgeon for another 50 years and STILL not miss out on enjoying the frat party culture because.... I can just quit and join a frat club!!!

You don't get bored because the stuff you want to do change all the time and even if you are truly immortal and live for millions of years, working in slavery to build the pyramids is not the same as working in slavery to build Amazon warehouses and will not be the same as working in slavery to colonize Mars, your slavery will always feel novel to you

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3m115c wrote

All of that sounds incredibly fun and I hope you and I can do those things dont get me wrong.

Dont you think being immortal would mean eventually looking back and going "wow I cant believe I did all of that... for thousands/millions of years where did the time go" and then you realize you are bored? Living forever means forever. Not millions of years of doing cool human things that we can only come up with and concieve based on what time period we were born in. It doesnt even mean experiencing trillions of years of all time periods humans lived in. Or all animals or all life or every dimension. Forever means all of that being done and reaching an "oh shit" moment imo. And that is terrifying to me personally.

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The_Real_RM t1_j3m71a2 wrote

I'm not excluding the possibility that you'll need some therapy to deal with your immortality... But I don't think it's terrifying. In fact people don't deal with their mortality all the time now either and most people think death is a "whole life" away from now so they mostly act and feel as if immortal today. Time will just slip by, just like now, but... forever.

And don't forget, you're just one woodworking mishap away from dying anyway, immortal as you may be

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The_Real_RM t1_j3m766k wrote

Honestly the only super scary thing about immortality is population control (avoiding overpopulation and avoiding everyone deciding to not have kids this... millennia either)...

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Ginkotree48 t1_j3m1a4z wrote

Also through time dilation you could do all of that much sooner and have more time to be bored and convince yourself you have to un alive yourself. Which personally would never happen. Id be trapped. I cant conciously kill myself.

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gantork t1_j3ly1rr wrote

I think I'd enjoy at least a couple hundred years in perfect health, just living peacefully and dedicating myself to hobbies, entertainment, personal projects, etc.

If on top of that we add full dive vr and other insane tech we have in the future it seems hard to get bored, and maybe we could modify the brain to keep things feeling fresh and exciting without forgetting them.

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Spreadwarnotlove t1_j3n3v3x wrote

If I get bored I could just erase my memories and start as a baby in some virtual world. And I can do this infinite times. Maybe one lifetime I could be born in a zombie game twenty years before the apocalypse. Another life time I could be born in an Xianxia world and train for a hundred thousand years to be the god of that virtual world. And another lifetime I could be Bilbo Bagins.

There are infinite possibilities.

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