AllCommiesRFascists t1_j5dc7j8 wrote
Reply to comment by MootFile in What do you think an ordinary, non-billionaire non-PhD person should be doing, preparing, or looking out for? by Six-headed_dogma_man
> progressive engineers look like and advocated for. They’re anti-capitalism and pro-scientism.
Engineers are well known for being morons outside of their field. Pretty ironic being “pro-scientism” and being against evidence based economic policy
> Progress, is taking the means of production out of the hands of capitalists.
Why is that progress?
> And placing it in the hands of technicians, engineers, and scientists.
And thereby making them capitalists themselves. What a big brain move. Anyways, pretty much every tech company gives equity as a form of compensation with most of the early employees (mostly all scientists and engineers) became very wealthy if the company is successful.
> Elon has not used his wealth to make this possible. Because he’s a businessman.
And has a masters in Physics, which means he is a scientist owning the means of production
> a left-wing movement known as Technocracy
Singapore is an actual technocracy and is very right-wing
MootFile t1_j5dh2hp wrote
>Engineers are well known for being morons outside of their field. Pretty ironic being “pro-scientism” and being evidence based economic policy
Reality seems to disagree with this point considering our society is built off the wonders of science & engineering.
>Why is that progress?
Because they've created new technology? Which fixes problems, thus progress?
>And thereby making them capitalists themselves. What a big brain move. Pretty much every tech company gives equity as a form of compensation with most of the early employees (mostly all scientists and engineers) became very wealthy if the company is successful.
Being a worker doesn't make you a capitalist. Although Marxists do call scientists "petite bourgeoisie"
>And has a masters in Physics, which means he is a scientist owning the means of production
A dictatorship lacks perspectives of other people. One scientist in charge would obviously fail. The big idea is that everyone whos educated or trained in technical occupations would be making decisions together. Aimed at removing the inefficiencies and waste of capitalism.
>Singapore is an actual technocracy and is very right-wing
Singapore has nothing to do with the movement and is not a technocracy. Neither is China.
AllCommiesRFascists t1_j5e1wfz wrote
> Reality seems to disagree with this point
Really? Being an engineer doesn’t automatically make you an expert in a different field from your own
> Because they’ve created new technology? Which fixes problems, thus progress?
And how is giving them the means of production automatically progress
> Being a worker doesn’t make you a capitalist.
Only the scientists and engineers owning capital would make them the capitalists
> The big idea is that everyone whos educated or trained in technical occupations would be making decisions together.
That’s how every business works, especially tech companies. Teams make decisions together
> Singapore has nothing to do with the movement
All policy in Singapore is crafted by experts in their field. Even in China, all the politburo members (the guys in charge of the country) have STEM degrees. Xi for example is an Industrial Engineer
AncientGreekHistory t1_j5e5kvo wrote
This entire sub-thread is a wonderful illustration of how ideology is cancer. You're just arguing over which of your cancers is worse.
AllCommiesRFascists t1_j5h1kkl wrote
I am a pragmatist and don’t really have an ideology beyond improving my country
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