Submitted by Ok_Copy5217 t3_11xwep3 in space
GothicGolem29 t1_jdalkd5 wrote
Reply to comment by sithelephant in The epic quest to build a permanent Moon base by Ok_Copy5217
Im a bit confused what was your point? That there won’t be a moon base that it will be different? Nothing to do with how you worded it I’m just a bit confused
sithelephant t1_jdanidq wrote
That the Artemis program has a depressing paucity of ambition and that inbuilt into its DNA is several assumptions that are nearly barking mad.
If it all goes perfectly right, and every part of it performs as well as might be hoped, you get about 20 tons to and from the lunar surface, for a total of around some hundred billion dollars.
This works out to around five million dollars a kilo - you're never ever doing serious 'moonbase' type stuff on that sort of launch cost.
- Among some of the baked-in assumptions are that propellant transfer in orbit is impossible, assembly in orbit is impossible, crew transfer in orbit is undesired. (These drive the use of SLS).
Then the selection of the gateway orbit was driven largely by Orion requirements, which is a whole nother pile of fish.
The use of SLS then sets the price expectation for Orion and all hardware that goes near the moon, again ballooning costs.
My hope for the program is that perhaps the translunar flyby flight by SLS goes ahead, at which time Starship is flying, and the new generation of launchers is coming online making a wholesale reconsidering of the program and scrapping most of the legacy elements worthwhile.
Leading to hundred ton payloads landing on the moon for less outlay than the two ton ones.
As context - if SpaceX gets propellant transfer working, with a couple of depots in orbit, and charges for launch the same price /kg as Falcon heavy, you end up with cargo on the moon costing $10K/kg, not $5000K/kg.
GothicGolem29 t1_jdcscxo wrote
…. Theres no paucity of ambition the goal is to buil a moon base and get to Mars that’s a huge ambition.
Ok that sounds good.
Depends on what you defending a moorbaden as I’m sure they could create some kind of habitation for people with a hundred tons. And even if we don’t get to that we still put the first woman on the moon and first person of colour which would be a huge success.
If it was impossible why are the brilliant minds at NASA planning it?
Ok
Ok interesting idea thanks for explaining.
Idk I disagree on some stuff like if it was truly impossible NASA would not be attempting it
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