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imgrandojjo t1_ir0ssth wrote

I dislike the wording of this headline. The mission is not dead. A dead mission is one that didn't complete its objective. the orbiter is dead yes, but not the mission. This mission is complete. It did everything it set out to do and then some.

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JohnDoe_2408 t1_ir1f8l6 wrote

Exactly. The article itself is factual and even positive about ISRO, not sure why the headline is so negative.

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arcosapphire t1_ir1g88w wrote

Because journalists still sometimes try to report facts, but the job of an editor these days is to drive clicks at any cost.

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dadmou5 t1_ir1jqva wrote

Oddly enough, I didn't even feel like clicking on the link because the headline supposedly tells the entire story and unless you were super invested in the mission you won't bother wanting to read more after seeing the title.

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JohnDoe_2408 t1_ir1k1ax wrote

Exactly! I've actually seen this before, now that I remember it. And in the previous case, the "news aggregator" in question was admonished for picking the most anti-subject headlines to attract a particular sort of "crowd".

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bobstro t1_ir1gi00 wrote

I think the headline and those like it are anthropomorphizing for a public audience, but it seems to be a touchy subject. If a mission was completes its original mission on schedule and continues operating for multiples of that span, what is the "correct" (non-offensive) way of saying it "outlived" its original expected lifetime? Simply saying it's "complete" seems to downplay the significance of the event. "Completed its 6 month mission in 8 years" also doesn't celebrate the event. What would you consider less offensive?

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imgrandojjo t1_ir1wipa wrote

ISRO Mars orbiter transmits final signals, ending wildly successful mission for India's fledgling space program

There's your headline

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ilfulo t1_ir2qk00 wrote

Naa, i wouldn't be bothered with such an headline...sorry

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dronzer31 t1_ir08lj5 wrote

6 months going on to 8 years. That's a straight-up 16-fold increase in duration. Good job, ISRO. Looking forward to much more in space exploration from ISRO and others. International collaboration is the only way forward.

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imgrandojjo t1_ir0sxag wrote

Maybe ISRO can take up some of the slack left by Russia thanks to its incompetent leadership. India has its own issues but they're nothing compared to Russia's right now.

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EpilepticFits1 t1_ir1hkw5 wrote

Russia's launch and recovery vehicle is the most reliable system ever invented. The only reason Russia's space agency is relevant at all is because of this Soyuz system. If India wants to fill that niche they need to top the Russians on reliability and cost.

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cherryreddit t1_ir49htl wrote

India has bith reliability and cost pat down. Bjt they donot have a heavy lifter capable of taking people yet.

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bobstro t1_ir0319q wrote

It's a bummer when these missions finally die, but it certainly exceeded expectations.

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imgrandojjo t1_ir0thok wrote

The mission is not dead. It is complete.

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bobstro t1_ir11014 wrote

Well, I meant "dead" in the sense that it "lived" longer than expected. "Longer time to completion" if you prefer.

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[deleted] t1_ir0turx wrote

was supposed to last for 6 months and lasted for 8 years, pretty damn good job from India if you ask me.

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Teknekratos t1_ir1i2m9 wrote

Always reminds me of the racist-ass newspaper cartoon about a poor Indian guy with his cow knocking at the door of the "Space Club" where the usual bigwig countries sat drinking, and the rebuttal where the guy and his cow were toasting in the club while the contrite fat cats knocked outside with their rockets.

In the immortal words of Captain Holt: "Vin.di.cation."

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rocketsocks t1_ir1o730 wrote

At least for India there's very little argument to be made other than the fact that space exploration and building space technologies is a net benefit to the country. Even in strict financial terms it's beneficial.

However, it's also worth pointing out that when the US went to the Moon with the Apollo program it had extensive racial and sectarian strife, it had extreme poverty, and it was still a developing country. Something like 1 in 5 US households did not have complete indoor plumbing, and many did not have electricity. The argument that one must have everything "at home" completely sorted out before reaching the stars is one that can quite easily be turned against the history of US space exploration.

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Nijajjuiy88 t1_ir48csf wrote

They also overlook the fact that rockets allowed us to deploy early cyclone warning systems, which helped to save a large number (don't remember the exact figure ) from the coast of Odisha and elsewhere.

Also unlike weapons, they bring something tangible to an economy.

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RogerTheAliens t1_ir0srq9 wrote

Maybe it’ll be reincarnated

I’ll see myself out

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creganODI t1_ir17ggw wrote

Haha…knowing ISRO’s penchant for reuse it very well might

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gulgin t1_ir12h4e wrote

How long until it actually breaks the ground? How long until it de-orbits?

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RollinThundaga t1_ir14djl wrote

Depending on its precise orbit, it might not.

Not nearly as much atmosphere to drag it down with as on Earth.

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citybadger t1_ir2kytx wrote

The orbiter had the highest orbit of all the Mars orbiters. It could look down on Phobos. It’s going to be orbiting for millions of years.

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thebullshitmaster t1_ir4nvkh wrote

It is in a highly elliptical ~70,000km x ~500km orbit so it wont be deorbiting within our life times.

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Luca_Balsamo t1_ir1bldi wrote

The way these people write the headline. I'm sure they would decorate the whole headline if it was US or other countries from EU.

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bobstro t1_ir1f59u wrote

The headlines were very similar for Spirit and Opportunity, even going so far as to attribute "last words" to Opportunity. NPR posted the headline "NASA's Mars Rover Opportunity Is Officially Declared Dead". People tend to anthropomorphize these things. It's not scientifically correct, but it does make them more approachable. It's not meant to be offensive so much as sympathetic and respectful. The sub-heading is "But it leaves behind a long-lasting legacy after its eight years in space." Lots of space enthusiasts in the US (and I'm sure elsewhere) are happy to see successful missions regardless of the flag they launch under, and MOM certainly was.

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Osiris32 t1_ir3bybe wrote

Well done, India. Very well done indeed. That's no small feat you just accomplished, and to do it on your first try! You should rightfully be proud of the ISRO, and look forward to what they're going to do next. The lunar rover looks exciting, and finally getting their own manned vehicle into space!

I have a big dumb grin right now for you guys.

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DadeleusConstruct t1_ir4522m wrote

All I gotta say, we'll done to India and the Indian people for a great moment, the price you did this with is crazy as well.

Look forward to seeing what you do in the future with your space program.

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thebullshitmaster t1_ir4non9 wrote

Sadly Indian mars program died after this mission. There were 2 follow on missions planned in 2016 and 2018 neither of which ended up happening.

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Convillious t1_ir2g59m wrote

The budget for this mission was less than the budget of a single Stranger Thing's episode.

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Armyman125 t1_ir2xitc wrote

Just think what could be achieved in space if all the countries pooled their resources.

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m0ztermind t1_ir4d9gd wrote

"Officially dead"

This is the best way a well-experienced writer hired by a fairly well-known media outlet could describe a space project that exceeded its lifespan by 16 times and was then shut down. Also remember that the article was probably given a greenlight by the editor.

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Joseph_Omega t1_ir4kod3 wrote

"While it was originally designed for a six month mission, MOM ended up lasting nearly eight years in space."

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thebullshitmaster t1_ir4nkf9 wrote

Technically incorrect. It lasted for 8 years in mars orbit yes but almost 9 years in space if you count from date of launch (November 25th 2013).

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Importantlyfun t1_ir1hnet wrote

Ran outta fuel. That $20 on pump 8 wasn't enough with the high gas prices.

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