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playa-del-j t1_ixadieo wrote

Reply to comment by simcoder in From Apollo to Artemis: 50 years on, is it time to go back to the moon? | Space by Ok_Copy5217

I’m not going to spend a lot of time responding becauseI think you’re determined to wallow in doom and gloom. However, it’s been estimated that there has been an ROI of $7 to $1 from the Apollo program. That’s significant. That program produced, or made better, technologies like better fire fighting equipment, water filtration, heart and health monitoring, more efficient solar panels, better treatments for dialysis patients. Not to mention the billions NASA spends on earth sciences each year. The Saturn V isn’t around any longer, but we still have all the technologies that spun out of the Apollo program.

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simcoder t1_ixadp7m wrote

Reality seems to be wallowing in doom and gloom. I get it if it's too much to face directly.

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4thDevilsAdvocate t1_ixae5r7 wrote

>Reality seems to be wallowing in doom and gloom.

If you view everything through social/news media and a lens of cynicism, yes.

Just because a view of the world sucks doesn't mean that view of the world is true.

> I get it if it's too much to face directly.

"You're too afraid to acknowledge how sad and horrible reality is, unlike me, who's an mature adult because I understand how much everything sucks and is hopeless."

Not what you actually said word-for-word, but essentially the same message you're trying to get across.

Believe it or not, people aren't naive children for believing in things you don't.

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simcoder t1_ixaeno5 wrote

I don't know that it's really all that useful for the average Joe to spend a lot of time pondering all the doom and gloom. So I get the desire to ignore it or focus on other things.

But it is the reality.

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4thDevilsAdvocate t1_ixafjw3 wrote

>I don't know that it's really all that useful for the average Joe to spend a lot of time pondering all the doom and gloom. So I get the desire to ignore it or focus on other things.

So, in other words, you're above the "average joe". You're enlightened. Unlike all those stupid optimists, you understand that the world is actually a shitty place, that we're all inevitably doomed due to, say, climate change, and that you're smarter than all the stupid, childish sheeple, because you're a complete cynic, just like a wise, mature adult. Reality is awful and horrible, and you're the only one smart enough to realize that. Everyone who doesn't believe in what you do just needs to grow up and face the harsh, cruel truth: the world sucks.

Have you considered you might just be depressed and trying to rationalize that? Objectively speaking, things don't really suck as much as you apparently think they do.

>But it is the reality.

"It's cynical! Therefore, it's true!"

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simcoder t1_ixai3io wrote

How many people are starving to death right at this very moment? Is that number projected to increase or decrease?

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4thDevilsAdvocate t1_ixaifig wrote

You aren't responding to anything I'm saying.

I think this conversation is over.

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simcoder t1_ixaixkx wrote

So you don't want to talk about starving people being relevant to an underlying state of doom and gloom?

Not surprising.

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tms102 t1_ixcil6c wrote

How many people are being cured or helped with diseases and or disabilities that couldn't have been helped 50 years ago?

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tms102 t1_ixcio63 wrote

Is the glass half full or half empty in reality?

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