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Manureofhistory OP t1_j4cpomz wrote

Reply to comment by Interesting_Owl_8248 in The multiverse by Manureofhistory

There tend to be measurable effects from those other ideas though. There is at least a measurable symptom of gravity and what else, even if there is no graviton or anything. The multiverse on the other hand seems to be something that is posited as a potential model but only to fill a void that could potentially be filled some other way.

With regard to quantum states, it’s difficult to measure how the day to day emerges from quantum weirdness and I think some researchers think that if a form of quantum weirdness exists it must also occur in some sense at larger scales, which is how people become spiritualist hucksters. And that concerns me

Also owls are interesting. True

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Rich_Cartoonist8399 t1_j4drwz3 wrote

A less technical perspective is that we - as four dimensional beings only capable of perceiving or measuring three dimensional spacetime, it’s pretty much impossible to comprehend higher dimensions. Maybe it’s trite, but if you see our perspective of space time as a flat piece of paper and a higher dimensional construct as a pencil, when that pencil breaks the paper, paper-beings are only capable of measuring or observing the circular hole spontaneously emerging from the paper, they have no understanding of the object, no framework to comprehend what a pencil is, it’s shape or function.

Anyway with this in mind it’s entirely possible for a multiverse of infinite possibility around us, without being easily measurable or observable/comprehendable. This doesn’t have to venture into woo woo metaphysics, things just are this way, there’s some things we simply can’t understand because of what we are.

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czechmixing t1_j4dsth1 wrote

This guy 4th dimensions. I still don't get the whole tesseract construct. Too much for my quasi hairless ape grey matter to compute.

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Rich_Cartoonist8399 t1_j4f1z7l wrote

It’s sort of mind breaking, your meat brain wasn’t built to imagine such things. But in order to have an event, you need a place and time. Xyz and time coordinates. You have a place without a time, that’s not an event. Time without a place, not an event. Without both of them nothing happens.

I’ve always thought that “supernatural” phenomena were people encountering something beyond their ability to parse, so they can only understand it via a preexisting cultural framework - aliens, angels, etc

Edit: it gets more confusing when you start thinking about how time space is essentially created by the forces of gravity

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itsmeakaeda t1_j4e0gu9 wrote

This is a really good analogy. I like it and may need to steal it next time i get the question about higher dimensions

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spudsoup t1_j4g2aei wrote

The novel Flatland is a very interesting exploration of this, one of my favorites

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MankerDemes t1_j4gc5cq wrote

Particles occupying contradictory states simultaneously aren't a measurable symptom? It's seems like you have an awful lot of one-sided skepticism on this matter, have you applied any skepticism to the con-side of your original argument though?

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