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Xu_Lin t1_jcf3wz1 wrote

“We need you to take a doping test*

Raven “No, I don’t think I will”

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ExaBrain t1_jcehjx5 wrote

This actually sounds like it might be a genuine case. Her previous mental health issues and missing her last test only after announcing she was taking the rest of 2022 off give the impression that she’s was disengaged and had probably stopped updating her location.

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meem09 t1_jceysbm wrote

What do you mean by genuine case? That she has a case to appeal this?

I don't think that's how it works. Or at least it shouldn't. Yes, rules like this always place a bigger burden on people outside the norm, such as people with mental health issues, but at the end of the day it is very, very well known that world-class athletes always have to be available for testing or at least update their whereabouts. At the very least someone in her circle should be on top of this. Specifically after two strikes. Additionally, you can't just say "I'm done competing for this year" and that stops testing. Arguably that's exactly the point where there should be more tests, because a long period of not competing right before the Olympic season is where you would run a nice series of gear if that were what you are doing, to get the most out of that time.

Not saying she has done anything. She's not accused of that, but the system is in place the way it is for very good reasons and there seems to be no doubt that she did miss those tests.

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jorge1209 t1_jcfhzjh wrote

> At the very least someone in her circle should be on top of this.

Athletes don't make enough money to have a personal assistant to do this crap for them. When you say "her circle" you basically mean "her mom or dad, or her coach" both of whom likely have their own full-time jobs.

Also, only one person is allowed inside the throwing circle during a throw. Everyone else is supposed to be behind the cage.

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Harambiz t1_jcfngri wrote

Most of them actually make a pretty decent living, with sponsors like Nike and Leidos she certainly isn’t hurting for money. Not to mention winning gold medal is a cool $37,000 payout.

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patricksaurus t1_jcfzq5f wrote

That’s a very wrong impression. You can find any number of stories that all say the same thing: most Olympic athletes are not in good financial shape.

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Harambiz t1_jchxc4p wrote

A literal quote from your first article “Paycheck depends on how I preform at a major championships once every 2-4 years. If I do not preform well in one moment I cannot financially support myself.”

Yes most athletes don’t do well, but most athletes also aren’t gold medalist with billion dollar corporations sponsoring them. She is fine.

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patricksaurus t1_jchxqcq wrote

Yes, it is possible to read one sentence from the four articles I listed and dishonestly maintain a false impression. If you’re more interested in arguing than being correct, I mean.

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Harambiz t1_jci1x1j wrote

If you simply look up her net worth she is worth anywhere between 400k-5 million. Which is far higher than the median American net worth of 122k

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patricksaurus t1_jci4awl wrote

You went to "celebritynetworth.com" or some similar completely bullshit site, believed it, and weren't at all alarmed that the estimate has an uncertainty of a factor of 12.5?

All in service of not having to learn something new... quite a commitment to preserving your ignorance.

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Harambiz t1_jci4pr3 wrote

I looked at multiple sites, and gave you the range I got. She got money, she even said after winning gold that money would no longer be an issue. It’s crazy to think that a gold medal athlete with multiple big sponsorship deals is anywhere near the average American.

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patricksaurus t1_jci577a wrote

So you took the average of dogshit information and think you got something other than dogshit?

I mean, at least you're consistent.

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Harambiz t1_jci5gqe wrote

You have provided nothing to state she isn’t doing well other than some cherry picked articles that says average Olympic athlete’s are struggling. She isn’t average.

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patricksaurus t1_jci7s84 wrote

So in your world, a string of articles by credible news sources who interview people and cite data is less compelling than notoriously inaccurate websites that guess celebrity net worth?

You have to be breathing exhaust fumes and eating lead paint to think like this.

Feel free to google for yourself. See if you find a string of article describing Olympic athletes living the high life.

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ExaBrain t1_jcf95k3 wrote

I simply meant a genuine case of it being accidental and not malicious - I did not comment on the rights and wrongs of the process as I’m actually a strong advocate of these penalties to prevent PEDS usage.

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solofatty09 t1_jcfa1o4 wrote

Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern…

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jyzenbok t1_jcfs2nr wrote

Or she just is giving it up and doesn’t care about the tests. Or getting clean. Who knows.

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meem09 t1_jcf9wxx wrote

Thanks for clarifying.

On her insta she says she retook every test and passed them all. So at that point, I think you are right that - as unbelievable as I may have found it at first - accidental is correct.

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ExaBrain t1_jcfaloy wrote

While I’ve never been in a continuous testing program I have been at a level where I’ve been tested in competition so I have some appreciation of the responsibilities of an athlete as I’ve competed against them. I can well imagine the attraction of going “fuck it!” And not updating your location as often as you should.

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Seahawk715 t1_jcdysj9 wrote

Ugh. Women’s track and field having a good run of it the last couple years.

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noeldc t1_jcethr8 wrote

Never more.

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diymatt t1_jcfep46 wrote

When will we get OlympicsXtreme edition? All our favorite athletes + any drugs they wanna take.

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AccountantNotEditor t1_jcfrea8 wrote

Oh my sweet summer child…

I was an athlete for a D1 collegiate program about 10 years ago, and I made many athlete friends from this time who would go on to play professional sports, with some even still competing professionally. I can assure you, steroids and PEDs are being used by the vast majority of athletes with a financial stake in their sport or competition. I’ve told my story several times before on Reddit, and I suspect some people may be starting to piece together the school and/or the players I reference in my past re-tellings, and so I’m not going to tell those stories again. That said, know that steroid and PED usage is an open secret within these higher level athletic circles. There is money on the line, and with it being such an open secret, it’s well-known that if you want a shot at that money, then you’ll have to compete against enhanced competitors. If you’re told you can sign a multi-million dollar contract playing sports if you just take some performance-boosting drugs, what would you do? Obviously, most don’t get that opportunity, but they realize that if they want a shot at that opportunity then there are things they must do. In that sense, it becomes a logical choice, albeit a personal one.

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commonemitter t1_jcfvsmm wrote

Normies cant wrap their mind around athletes using PEDs, they still think you can succeed without drug use, or somehow drug use alone is enough to get you there

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AccountantNotEditor t1_jcgnp9t wrote

People in general have very little understanding on how these types of drugs work. There’s a certain mythos of sorts that over time has been built up around them, as if anyone who takes these drugs will suddenly begin looking like they’re ready to compete in regional bodybuilding shows, or that they will make you Superman in any sport.

The truth is that PEDs and steroids are going to make a notable difference in those athletes who are also putting in the effort and who have the discipline required to stay at the top of their game, but your average Joe isn’t going to suddenly become an all star. When you’ve got all of these competitors who are already among the 99.9th percentile at their game, the difference between who gets a shot to be something big and who doesn’t can often times be the difference of whether they’re taking those drugs or not. It’s honestly a sad state of affairs, knowing what these drugs can do to your body long-term, but it’s also a very understandable choice.

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marigolds6 t1_jcfxqqq wrote

It doesn't even have to be that high of level of competition, just highly competitive. I went to high school in the late 80s/early 90s. Cross country runners at multiple schools in our area were openly blood doping with autologous transfusions. Steroids were openly sold in the weight room and football locker room (and we were just a mid-tier football program). Supplements were constantly coming on the market ahead of regulation; even as a high school athlete I took supplements in good faith that later ended up banned.

We had a very small handful of generational athletes are our school during my time there (at the level where some here would certainly recognize their names). Some were clean at the high school level, some were not. Inevitably the ones who used performance enhancers started having injury issues at the college level that became worse in their post-college careers (olympic/pro). I don't know for certain if the clean athletes stayed clean after high school, but I learned from a couple of them later how hard it was to stay competitive against the wide spread use of PEDs in their various sports.

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tossme68 t1_jcg1wse wrote

I finished in 1990, but worked in sports for a few years more and yes the vast majority of athletes were taking something. There were a few that didn't be they were genetic freaks and now with the amount of money being thrown around it's almost a requirement to stay in the game.

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diymatt t1_jcfxjuo wrote

Yeah but there is still some guardrails and oversight. I meant make a full on open class like top fuel dragsters.

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AccountantNotEditor t1_jcgmi61 wrote

The guardrails you refer to are more like those fabric bands used in movie theaters to direct lines. Make no mistake that the organizations that oversee this stuff are much more aware of the prevalence of these things than the public. That’s not to say that they’re all corrupt; they obviously aren’t and sometimes people do get caught. However, speaking from personal experience, athletes would know when to expect “random” testing. I always like to use a scene from the old SpikeTV show “Blue Mountain State” for reference to this. In the scene, the team is in the locker room when the head coach calls everyone’s attention in order to tell them, “I had a dream last night that a representative will be coming here in one week to give a random drug screening. In that dream, everyone passed that test with flying colors. wink”. You’d be surprised how accurate that scene is.

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diymatt t1_jchi5jq wrote

I'm not sure why you keep using these long, single paragraph diatribes to spoon feed it to me, I get it. Professionals in all arenas of skill that do it on a high level are utilizing performance enhancing tools. I'm not doubting you.

I'm just saying let some tier of athletes go whole hog and take the bottle of roids so we can watch the spectacle.

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AccountantNotEditor t1_jciu7x8 wrote

Huh? I’m not spoon feeding you anything; I’m just having a conversation with you, and by extension, sharing information and experiences to anyone else who may read the thread and find the information informative or interesting. I’m not sure what I’ve said that has upset you here. The purpose of Reddit is to have discussions like this.

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themorningmosca t1_jcfksel wrote

To be at her level after ALL the tests over the years she’s taken — to act this way is silly. No excuses. I only made 2 Olympic trials and know the rules. She’s been to the big show. There is no excuse, she will be forgotten.

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SmartWonderWoman t1_jcfms66 wrote

You sound like a hater rt now.

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themorningmosca t1_jcfq8z7 wrote

An Olympic athlete who wishes to remove themselves from the US Anti-Doping Agency's (USADA) testing pool must complete and submit a Retirement Notification Form to USADA. This form can be obtained by contacting USADA directly or by downloading it from their website.

The Retirement Notification Form requires the athlete to provide their personal information, as well as the reason for their retirement. The athlete must also sign the form to certify that the information provided is accurate.

It is important to note that once an athlete has retired and has been removed from the testing pool, they are still subject to testing for a period of time. This is known as the "retirement period" and varies depending on the athlete's level of competition and the sport they participated in.

Athletes who have retired and been removed from the testing pool but then decide to return to competition must notify USADA and may be subject to a period of testing before being eligible to compete.

USADA has a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) program that allows athletes to use substances that are prohibited in competition if they have a legitimate medical condition that requires the use of that substance. Mental health conditions, such as depression or anxiety, may require the use of certain medications that are prohibited in competition, and athletes can apply for a TUE to use these medications.

In order to apply for a TUE for a mental health condition, an athlete must provide medical documentation from a licensed physician or mental health professional. This documentation should explain the diagnosis, the medication or treatment being recommended, and why the medication or treatment is necessary.

Athletes can also contact USADA directly to discuss any concerns they may have about how their mental health condition may impact testing. USADA has a Medical Science team that can provide guidance and support to athletes regarding their medication use and the testing process.

Additionally, USADA recognizes the importance of mental health and has resources available for athletes who may be experiencing mental health issues. USADA's Athlete Express Program provides free and confidential counseling services to athletes and their family members. Athletes can also access mental health resources through the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee's Athlete Services program.

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MHMabrito t1_jcfv6tk wrote

How much time did you really save not including the “igh” from right?

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DemSumBigAssRidges t1_jcfwgz6 wrote

If only she was just invading another country and actually killing that country's athletes. When will these athletes learn?!

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