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Victor_Korchnoi t1_jeb2c6l wrote

Reply to comment by RunDNA in Tennis umpire handed lifetime ban for manipulating scoring by PrincessBananas85

Same. Tennis seems like a tough sport to manipulate the score of. There aren’t many judgement calls from the ref.

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nervouspencil t1_jebb8kf wrote

The exact opposite is true. The vast majority of officiated matches do not have electronic line calling and the umpire has absolute authority to call it as he sees it. Also, even in the slams, the ump has some discretion over other calls like foot faults, double bounces, time violations, other code violations, etc.

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OathOfFeanor t1_jecjh4j wrote

The way they phrased it almost seems like he abused his access to simply edit the scores after the fact or something, as opposed to weighing his decisions with a bias.

> Carrero manipulated the match scoring with a handheld device

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DarthPneumono t1_jectiy9 wrote

> The vast majority of officiated matches do not have electronic line calling

Is there a reason they don't just... have some cameras? 3 or 4 perspectives around the court and you could call basically anything, right?

edit: y'all this was a genuine question, calm yourselves

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hockeyfan1133 t1_jed4zep wrote

That’s not financially feasible.

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DarthPneumono t1_jefccwo wrote

Can you explain why? The cost of the cameras, the person reviewing them, something else? I'm very out of my field here, asking out of curiosity.

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crasyeyez t1_jedi41n wrote

Then how do they do it for badminton, which is far less popular?

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ParticularResident17 t1_jeddq7s wrote

The different lines on a court are boundaries for certain things, like serving. When calling a match, for fair play, the ball has to at least touch the line when it’s compressed by maximum downward force. So a ball that looks like it didn’t touch the line may very well have but a ball at a lower velocity may not. That’s why there are two officials with good views of the boundaries.

So not only are we talking a lot of cameras, most would need to do super-slo-mo and be cost prohibitive. They would also have to account for velocity and why on earth am I writing about tennis scoring at 1am omg I have to go to sleep.

Hope this helps!

E: this is confusing because I’m tired. I can explain it better tomorrow 🤪

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DarthPneumono t1_jefbxno wrote

It does, thank you :) now get some sleep...

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ParticularResident17 t1_jefic9w wrote

Can’t believe that’s as coherent as it is 😂 Glad I could help!

And yeah! Why are people downvoting you? It’s a really good question! We have cameras in every other sport — why not tennis?

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TheForeverKing t1_jec6rov wrote

That's true, but points in general are worth way less in a tennis match because there are so many. The ump can't manipulate too many or it'll be noticable, nor can he really do it on the very few truly vital points withouw drawing major objection and attention. Best he can do is do it at opportune times and hope it takes one of the players out of their flow. It must be very hard to make it work in any serious way

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Villageidiot1984 t1_jec8tii wrote

This is a ridiculous comment, one or two we’ll timed calls could easily throw a match, like in a tiebreaker or if the server has break point against. In a close professional match, throwing one point in one game every 2-3 sets could be huge if done at the right time.

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uddertaker t1_jecaowr wrote

From the article it reads like he was spot fixing instead of calling points to affect the outcome. So things like - player A will double-fault in the fourth game of the third set. He was making money or making his paymasters money that way.

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TheForeverKing t1_jecb30i wrote

If an umpire makes regular hard overrules on vital points multiples times in a match they'll be under a microscope in no time. There's no way they'd get away with that if you want to affect more than one match

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Villageidiot1984 t1_jecbcnv wrote

I’m just replying to the idea that there are too many points in a match for an umpire to make a difference with a few calls. They easily could.

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TheForeverKing t1_jecbytg wrote

I didn't say that. I said they are worth less because there are so many. In football for example the difference between 1-1 or 1-2 is huge, and decided by only one call. There are hundreds of points in a tennis match and thus, manipulating just a handful has a much smaller impact overall.

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prl_lover t1_jed919e wrote

He wasn't changing the actual score, he was just not inputting the scores to the handheld computer in a timely manner, or was deliberately making 'mistakes' and later correcting them.

Basically when a player won a point, his friends would bet on that player before he actually awarded them the point on the system. So bookies and other gamblers who rely on the score feed were getting shafted.

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lol-ban-me t1_jeff7r0 wrote

Woah. That sounds like it could be a pretty big fraud case

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thesecondfire t1_jefyiaz wrote

People can really bet on the outcomes of individual points in tennis, am I understanding that correctly? If that's the case, seems excessive.

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NonsensePlanet t1_jegsxbc wrote

I think it’s more likely that the odds change after each point. But maybe?

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