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stonedmeatball t1_irto721 wrote

Reply to comment by d_e_l_u_x_e in European champion in swimming died in battles near Kherson by KindArgument0

Please, stop calling it Putin's war. This war is not his sole responsibility.

Edited: see reply below on how I need to learn how to construct sentences In English. My stupid ass deserves those downvotes and comments:)

Oh shit. My bad. That was a poor wording from my side. I am a Ukrainian and all I wanted to say is that he is not the only responsible IN Russia. "Putin war" for me negates the fact that hundreds of thousands of people decided to step in my country with war and millions in Russia support this.

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TARANTULA_TIDDIES t1_irufj7l wrote

FWIW I saw your edit man. Speaking via text in a second language can be hard to get your point across. Don't feel bad

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D_Simmons t1_irtofse wrote

Yes it is.

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seanflyon t1_irtvvpm wrote

The war is Putin's responsibility, and it is also the responsibility of the Russian people.

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ZiOnIsNeXtLeBrOn t1_iru1ezo wrote

Well when you live in a Communist country, where you can literally be killed for saying a single thing negative about Putin. Putin killed Billionaires who were his Allies. He can and will kill regular people. There are brave men, women and children who protested against him. And that is all they can do.

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randomguy_- t1_iru1pjf wrote

Putin and Russia aren’t communist by any stretch

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Dyhart t1_irv3sgi wrote

Authoritarian, not communist

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optimistic_agnostic t1_irvfh4f wrote

They're getting killed by the thousands in Ukraine. Why choose to die killing civilians in a foreign land than fighting for yourself and your family? The populace is complicit.

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optimistic_agnostic t1_irvfbjk wrote

The Russian people are the ones holding the rifles and firing the missiles. It's not just putin.

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beedlejooce t1_irw9p07 wrote

To be fair they don’t exactly have a choice. Civilians are forcibly dragged off the streets. Your entire family’s name is basically ostracized from societal ability to succeed in Russia if you refuse to serve. And then 10 years of hard labor in prison at the very least.

There’s a very small percentage of Russians serving that actually want to be there. You have people burning themselves alive, shooting themselves in non lethal spots, and purposely breaking their bones in hopes of getting medical exemption. This is basically all Putin and the other Kremlin blindly stroking their master’s ego.

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optimistic_agnostic t1_irxhhd4 wrote

Or they could turn their weapons on these 'oppressors' and chose to fight for their country, family and livelihood rather than die in a foreign land killing civilians and waging a war of annexation and the expansion of the Russian federation. Yet they chose the later. It's not just putin, it's the populace that is complicit, don't kid yourself or expect us to be that naive.

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beedlejooce t1_irxjsn4 wrote

Well of course them standing up to the oligarchs would be the ideal solution. Ain’t that easy. It’ll take at least the next two generations of younger people to switch the ideology of supporting free elections in Russia. Once the older people in general, but especially the ones in power die off there’s a chance at least of revolution. Most of these Russian soldiers do not want to be there. Of course there’s always zealous extremists but most are done with it.

Russian people have been fed this propaganda narrative their whole life just to be lied to as a pawn. But in reality the US did the same thing to our troops in the Middle East, sending soldiers to die for a mission they knew would fail long term. It was never gonna work. All the war crimes too so.

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d_e_l_u_x_e t1_irtpbv3 wrote

Oh you blaming Ukraine? Or the Russian military leadership that has been relieved by… Putin? Who do you think has the power to end a invasion of a sovereign country? The invader or the invaded?

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stonedmeatball t1_irtsih7 wrote

Oh shit. My bad. That was a poor wording from my side. I am a Ukrainian and all I wanted to say is that he is not the only responsible IN Russia. "Putin war" for me negates the fact that hundreds of thousands of people decided to step in my country with war and millions in Russia support this.

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MarkPancake t1_irtq6j0 wrote

Oh is there someone telling Putin what to do that we don’t know about

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nutel t1_irvzj7k wrote

Are all germans responsible for 2nd world war ? Thats very questionable and a very hard topic ...
Propaganda is very strong and it works. Russians have been brainwashed for decades. And now it's paying off. But ultimately it is putin's regime fault.

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The_Mikado_List t1_irvksqk wrote

Most Russians support this war (and many of them apparently want the entire concept of Ukraine wiped out), which is a major problem…

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stonedmeatball t1_irw8o3p wrote

I assume that my original message (without edited clarification) looked like I also put blame on West/Ukraine for starting this war which is typical russian propaganda rhetoric. I completely understand people going mad about this)

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The_Mikado_List t1_irxykvv wrote

I suppose you can “blame” the West for not giving Ukraine more military support in the past 8 years.

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