Submitted by No-Drawing-6975 t3_1150i8e in technology
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therapist122 t1_j900j7c wrote
The argument I think (without reading the article) is that the tech itself isn't a search replacement. Now let me read the article....
bigkoi t1_j91dk7l wrote
Exactly. Search implies research. While chatgpt can be one channel for a POV on your research.
BarbequeCheese t1_j91exjd wrote
Will smaller companies have the budget to train the models, and pay the ML researchers to build and develop them?
Estimates say it cost millions to train those models (https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hwfjej/d_the_cost_of_training_gpt3/) and OpenAI in particular have been pretty clear that they see scaling models up as the best path to better performance (like this https://lastweekin.ai/p/the-ai-scaling-hypothesis).
And in reality, you don't just train one model, there will have been many, many iterations to get where they are.
Will a startup have the financial grunt and / or the in house computational resource to catchup to the big players? They'd need a lot of resources from somewhere.
asakurasol t1_j946xmn wrote
Agree mostly, though there is a diminishing return on the quality of the model vs model size.
I also think there will be plenty of AI consult companies focused on providing and training models for narrow product uses like medical, legal, customer support etc.
steampunk-me t1_j90vj00 wrote
Exactly.
We in Reddit live in a tech bubble, but the majority of people I've worked with in non-tech companies couldn't find an answer in Google to save their lives.
They would talk to me, I would translate their questions into keywords that would bring the best results, then I'd show them the results.
The average person is that tech illiterate.
The first company that gets search engine plus conversational AI right is going to revolutionize the market.
There's a reason Google got so desperate with Bing AI's announcement. They know this. They also know this fundamentally destroys more than half their income (search ads), so they have to be the one that gets it first and mold it into something that favors them.
But new AI search startups? They have no stake in keeping search engines that lucrative. They can focus on the best product (for the user). If they destroy Google's business model and walk away with just 5% of the revenue, they still become one of the largest players around.
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bigkoi t1_j91d9wq wrote
Look at past news from Google. My bet is that Google has been sitting on their AI for years, tuning it getting it consumer ready. My bet is that they can release something better than Bing very quickly if needed.
For example, the news from last year about the Google AI tester that claimed Lambda was sentient.
Google knew exactly that Bing's chatbot would fail like this when exposed to consumers.
The difference between Google and Microsoft is expectations. If Google released a chatbot like Bing it would have been brand damaging. For Microsoft it's just another bad consumer experience over the years.
Reddituser45005 t1_j91et94 wrote
Google lost 100 billion In valuation after the early February release of Bard, the Google Chatbot that they previewed.
“Bard underwhelmed audiences with inaccurate responses”
https://fortune.com/2023/02/08/google-bard-ai-mistake-ad-stock-price-market-cap/amp/
bigkoi t1_j91exvx wrote
Found the Bing Bot.
Reddituser45005 t1_j91ngv1 wrote
Actually, my bet would be on a non US based AI. Baidu in China is a competitor but there are less obvious choices. Hyundai recently bought robotics firm Boston Dynamics but that is just one piece of their broad based AI R&D efforts. The point is there are dozens of well funded AI efforts doing top tier cutting edge work. Any one of them could create the next “game changer”.
just-bair t1_j92ip68 wrote
The bing ai looks fun and all but I wouldn’t use it for any serious searches. Some people will tough
Mods_suck_42069 t1_j9394cz wrote
>the underdog from Redmond
The article lost me from that point on. That's like having Alexander and Genghis Khan walking up to a bar after conquering their known worlds and calling one of them the underdog.
Reddituser45005 t1_j8zbj9j wrote
I suspect both Bing and Google need to worry. There is clearly an opening for the first company that gets it right and there is no guarantee either of those companies will succeed. History has shown that disruption usually comes from smaller companies without a vested interest in the status quo. Both Bing and Google have huge investments and commitment to their current business models.